Monday, April 1, 2013

Parents for Public Schools Workshop - Round 2 & 3

PPS-SF Network Meeting: Surviving Round 2.
  • Tuesday April 2, 2013; 6-8 pm at Glen Park Elementary School; 151 Lippard Ave.


(I'll be the one with a million questions)

35 comments:

  1. Way to time this event PPS-SF for the exact two hour window 100% of interested parties are putting their future kindergartner(s) to bed...

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    1. When else are they supposed to hold it? Holding it during the day assumes people aren't working, and many are.... you will have to get used to evening meetings. That's when PTA meetings are generally held, and they're even less convenient then, when you need to get your kindergartener to bed.

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    2. Evening, yeah, but how about 8 to 10?

      Even 7 to 9 would be better. 7:30 better though.

      A meeting at 6 assumes two caregivers, one stuck solo-parenting during dinner and bed time. :P

      Anyway any surprises...?

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    3. Honestly - as sole night time care for my child I prefer the earlier times. I can ask a friend to hang out with my kid ad maybe eat dinner an I can still be home in time to put her to bed. A later time just absolutely messes with my ability to get there - and to get enough sleep for my early day. I think they are probably having the meeting at the time that the most people can make it.

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  2. Will highlights from the meeting be posted here for those of us who can't attend? (I can't imagine there is much different advice than there was for the first round of the lottery...but maybe that just reveals my ignorance??) Please enlighten me...

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    1. 1+1+1 - just wanted to say that I have my fingers crossed for you as you go through Round 2. We went through the process a few years ago, and were assigned to a school we did not request (and couldn't get to) in Round 1.

      Round 1 is so massively oversubscribed. A lot of spaces will free up for Round 2, and some people will get the results they want. I hope one of them is you.

      Just want to send hugs - it can feel demoralizing when it seems so many others are happily enrolling at their schools of choice, but you got..,,.,nothing. But do stick with the process. The end result is worth it.

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  3. You know, PPS is saying they're helping but they opposed Prop H, which if it has passed, everyone on here would have known they could have at least had the option of getting their child into a school near home. No one would be moving or going private, everyone would have had an option of a school close to home or try for alternative or language immersion schools, and importantly you wouldn't have upper middle class/in-the-know people from east side neighborhoods abandoning their local school instead of attending and making it more diverse.

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    1. I think its disingenuous to say that prob H passing would have meant everyone was happy with their neighborhood schools. That's patently not the case.

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  4. We have the money to make all our public schools great and are choosing not to spend it. Go to www.sfeducationfocus.blogspot.com. A recent post showed we have more money than most cities and pay our police more than in many cities in which teachers are paid more than ours. In other words, we pay teachers 48.4% of what we pay police. San Jose pays 56.8% and San Diego 73.3%, of the average police salary. We have a huge budget but overpay for almost every job and tons of fake overtime, BART employees are allowed to miss 12.5% of days and then get overtime for covering for each other, no one guards the tills to ensure we have more money for the public school kids, schools people who go private basically often feel don't matter as much as their kids. It's crucial to have money in this and that, but schools, let the rich pay for it and the poor go without, let's pay police, fire, BART, everything else. If we want equal educational opportunity, we should pay for good public schools and pay our public school teachers far more. Check this site out, it makes some great points.

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    1. Once again, we should write our representatives and let them know the priorities for families and children. If we don't advocate for our children, no one else will.

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  5. PPS is very receptive to parents and tries to help. If you can't attend this workshop, contact them and let them know. Ask if they could do a Saturday or Sunday morning (or whatever time you're available). If you are part of a pre-school group, ask your pre-school director if they could host a workshop at your school. Also, they might have some information on-line, too.

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  6. I am a bit under the weather so I am not sure if I will make it tonite. anyone else going that could share notes, please?

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  7. Hi,

    I'll give it a shot at sharing my notes since I've just written them up legibly anyway. Please note this is all from my handwritten notes and I did not fact-check my dates so others might want to!


    ROUND 2
    There were 500 more applicants for K this year than last year.
    There were much fewer schools with openings for Round 2 this year than last.
    There is typically the least amount of movement in Round 2.

    PPS-SF highly recommends registering for your assigned school UNLESS you really have no intention of attending that school AND you have a backup plan (private, charter, homeschooling, leaving town).

    Same tie-breakers apply for Round 2 as for Round 1 except that Appeals (medical, hardship, parent is on staff at the school) are a tie-breaker above Siblings.

    No documents are needed for the Round 2 Revision form, just turn in to EPC by April 12. Make sure to get your signed copy to take home.

    Immersion is usually that 13 of the 22 are native or bilingual speakers, 9 of the 22 are non-speakers. This balance can change in Round 2 or later. The seats for native/bilingual may be held vacant until the very end.

    We should be notified May 10th of Round 2 selection.

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    1. a friend of mine got into a school she's not thrilled about but has no back up plan. (ie. her child has to go to SFUSD school). That said, she is going through the rounds to hopefully get her child into her neighborhood school. My question is this......should she actually enroll in the school she was assigned...or does she just "hold off" entirely and hope she gets reassigned...? I heard the other day that if you are actually registered/enrolled somewhere then they can't switch after school starts...is that true?????HELP

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    2. if she has no back up plan then she better enroll (by tomorrow). round one is the only round where they HAVE to give you a school. if she doesnt register and get nothing in round, she has nothing.

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  8. ... continued ...

    ROUND 3 AND BEYOND (Waitpool)
    Deadline is May 24th, then you don’t need to turn in any forms for Rounds 4 and 5, those are just computer rounds. You only submit one school for round 3.
    The waitpool is not a waitlist. Each round you go into the lottery for your chosen school and the same tie-breakers apply each time.
    The waitpool goes through September 6th. If people don’t show up to school by the third day, then those seats open up to the waitpool. It can take a few weeks for spots to become available due to all the shuffling and calling, etc.
    You can check the SFUSD web posting of waitpools on June 11 and July 19.
    On June 10th? They tell you if you got your Round 3 choice.
    July 26 is the last day to cancel or modify your waitpool spot. You can go the day before to EPC, be nice, and ask how many are waiting for your school. Maybe even find out how many siblings are waiting. If your choice #1 has 150 people waiting and your choice #3 has 5 people waiting, you could then decide which to go on the waitpool for.
    Last year, over 750 people got their waitpool school in August.
    If you get your waitpool choice, you don’t get to choose whether to take it or not, you are immediately dropped from your assigned school and given your waitpool assignment.
    If this happens in August, I understand you don’t have to do anything until registering on the first day of school. Not sure. . .?
    If you don’t show up for your registered school by the third day, you will loose that spot but you will still remain on the waitpool if you entered round 3.
    Sept. 6th the waitpool dissolves. It is the last day for transfers.
    Sept. 9th- the first day to request a school for a spring transfer (which occurs in January).
    If you are NOT registered at a school, you can go in after Sept. 9th (I think) and sign up at whatever schools are available. Sometimes desirable schools run through their whole waitpool without filling all their spots and so may have open spots then.
    If you are considering a spring transfer and are registered and attending a school, you want to go in on Sept. 9th to get on the waitpool for spring transfers. That way you will hold at least one spot for the spring transfer waitpool and it will not be taken by someone outside SFUSD (as in the paragraph above). Hope that makes sense.
    At some point, SFUSD will determine if you’re signed up at a charter and an assigned school and will call you to choose one. The timing is different for each charter, depends on when they get their registrant info to SFUSD.
    WHAT TO TELL YOUR CHILD
    One parent’s recommendation on what to tell your child- they said that, in their experience, kids tend to do better with change than uncertainty so they wished they had told their child about their #5 choice that they were assigned instead of leaving it unclear until they knew about their #1 choice, which they didn’t end up getting.

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    1. Thank you, Jane, for your notes! I wasn't able to attend, and really appreciated your posts. Good luck to all of us...

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  9. Thank you so much for your detailed notes. Did the folks at PPS-SF recommend listing a minimum number of schools in Round 2 (15+, 20+), even though there's relatively little movement?

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    1. I am didn't attended the talk last night, but I do know that your Round 2 strategy should be pretty much the same as your Round 1 strategy - list as many schools as you can, in order of preference. The more schools you list, the more chance you have to win one those lotteries. Even if the school you "win" is low down on your list it might then make you eligible for swap opportunities.

      Having said that, the big difference between Round 1 and Round 2 is that you already holding an assignment. So, don't put any school on your list that you like less than your Round 1 assignment. By listing a school on your Round 2 list, you are basically telling EPC "I like this school better than my assigned school", and if you get one of them you automatically lose your Round 1 assignment.

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    2. Thanks so much for your reply! Much appreciated.

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  10. I just received a call from someone from the SFUSD checking in to see if we were registering our child for Miraloma (we are not), so hopefully there will be some decent movement in Round 2. I didn't know they would contact people they hadn't heard from yet. I would have gladly called or done something online to open up the spot earlier and save them the time. Good luck in Round 2!

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  11. I turned in our round two 'application' today. the woman behind the counter rubbed my arm as I handed it to her and said "best of luck to you sweetie". I loved her right then.

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  12. formerly optimisticApril 9, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    1+1+1=3, I'm so with you! I submitted the application late March, and now it just feels like the wait is eternal. Good luck!

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  13. What do parents do if they get a bad Round 2 choice as well but there are no private or parochial backups? A friend of mine is seriously thinking of holding her child out of school until January /home schooling if she doesn't get a decent Round2. I told her to keep trying until school starts. What are some of the alternatives if you don't have a school after this round? Most of the privates already heave their spaces filled, and moving in the Bay Area is expensive and not always easy.

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    1. Some of the newer private schools may have spaces - check out La Scuola, MPS, etc.

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    2. Also impressed with St. Monica's and St. Briget's. Sure there are other good options in the parochial world - just know happy people there.

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    3. We have a child with a summer birthday so either we win a great school in the lottery (not feeling optimistic after round 1...) or redshirt - which seems to be the SF norm anyhow these days - and explore every option next year (public, private, parochial, move...). Anyone else exploring an extra year of preschool as an alternative?

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    4. I am not sure it is safe to assume there is still space at MPS. The interest in that school has increased a lot over last year.

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  14. It's really worth sticking out through the first few weeks of the school year, if your friend can handle it. Not that much generally happens in Round 2, but there's a lot of movement in the few weeks leading up to the start of the school year and the few weeks after. You would be amazed at the amount of rearranging that actually happens. Good luck to your friend.

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  15. Round 2 letters being sent out today right? surprised there's no action here about it (though with the recent flurry of posts on topics I find frustrating I've been avoiding the site too).

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    1. I hope a new heading post will be introduced for round two...

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  16. Good luck to everyone today. We are hoping for a different outcome for ourselves from Round 1. Not overly optimistic.

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    1. you just never know. we gave up a space for an incoming K at a popular SFUSD, and we know of one 1st grade opening and one 2nd grade opening at the same school, so hopefully someone will be glad to receive an offer soon.

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