Sunday, March 24, 2013

Round 2

At the request of a reader.

Will you go for round 2? What's been people's experience with round 2 in the past?  If you got into a "trophy" school and are planning not to register, please let us know!

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  1. we will definitely be heading into round two. we put about 20 schools on our list and got zero. so, basically, all those hours of research and touring was for nil.

    I have bene reading lots on peoples 'strategies' with their list - listing every school, strategizing placements of first choices, padding with swaps.

    Moving into round two - I have no idea where to begin with my list. Do I list my first ten choices? Is there a strategy I am missing?

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    1. Your Round 2 strategy should be similar to your Round 1 strategy - list as many schools as you can on your list in order of preference. As you can see from the posts below, spots do open up at highly sought after schools. There is movement in Round 2.

      I have always wished that SFUSD would provide historical data about how many people in Round 1 don't register at schools they were assigned to and had on their lists. But, I suspect the numbers are higher than people realize.

      We went through this a few years ago, received none of our choices in Round 1, then received our first choice in Round 2. I hope the same thing happens for you.

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    2. What 9:04 said. Pretty much list the same schools, maybe add 5-10 more programs. As there's no penalty to listing more schools, there's no loss in extending your list.
      You didn't waste the effort of research - it'll feed into the next few rounds.

      "As you can see from the posts below, spots do open up at highly sought after schools."

      There was less churn since they introduces the new algorithm, either because the new algorithm is better at getting people a high-ranked choice, or because of the economy meaning less people were opting for privates if they got a high-ranked choice in the lottery. There seems to be more buzz about the independent privates than before, so there may more churn this year.

      Before the recession, in the old system, about 25% of those who got their first choice school never registered at said school.

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    3. We also went 0 for 20 and would like to list at least the same 20 again and maybe more, but there is no spot on the form for any more than 10 schools. Am I missing something? Just write them on the back?

      The form says "please ammend the school choices of my enrollment application form I have submitted on ___ as follows:"

      so if I leave it blank would it then just keep my original list?

      I have a higher degree, but somehow this process makes me feel like a total dumbass.

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    4. http://www.sfusd.edu/en/enroll-in-sfusd-schools/enrollment-resources/forms.html

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  2. I am thinking about it. We got into Peabody and are very happy but our first choice was Sunset which is close to our home. I am wondering if anyone could give me a feedback on which school is better in terms of teachers and in the long run with the new feeding system (Roosevelt middle school vs Giannini (A.P.) Middle School). Thanks so much!

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    1. I don't think it's possible to determine which middle school will be 'better' with the new feeder patterns, but they're both good schools. We know happy families at both. And it's tough to predict what your child's preferences might be six years from now. If I were you, I'd register at Peabody and try for Sunset in subsequent rounds. (Although I'm biased; I'd be thrilled with a Sunset assignment! It was high on our list.) But I also don't think Peabody is so much better than Sunset that it's worth committing to that commute for the next six years (!) and not having school friends in the neighborhood.

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    2. I second the suggestion to register at Peabody and try from Sunset in Round 2 and beyond. There's nothing to lose. I think Giannini has higher test scores than Roosevelt, but that could change by the time you get there. Middle school is more complex an analysis than elementary. It's raging hormone time so the social scene is a big factor. Your kids will want more input into the process. The availability of clubs and electives will be relevant.

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    3. We used to live near Lake and 2nd, so walking distance to Peabody. Our neighbors had a 2nd grader at Sunset. They loved the school and chose it because they were planning on buying somewhere nearby, but then circumstances changed and they stayed put. I think it took her about 50 minutes round trip, she was always complaining about spending close to two hours per day getting her kid to/from school, especially since she had to drag her younger son along with her. Unless there's something specific about Peabody that you like, I'd try to stay closer to home. But congrats on getting a good school in round one; you're in an enviable position.

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  3. If you got Peabody you may want to stay with that. A friend put that as their first choice on a list of 10 schools and got assigned Cobb which wasn't on their list. Of course I am encouraging everyone to go private to free up spaces for those of us that only have public schools as an option. I also hear Marin, the East Bay and several peninsula cities have great schools! :)

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    1. In case anyone reading isn't clear:

      If you register at your Round One assignment you will NOT lose it, UNLESS you are able to get a seat at one of the school listed on your Round Two revised list.

      So: put only options you genuinely want MORE than your current assignment, and you have nothing to lose by participating in Round Two. You do NOT put your current assignment at risk by trying.

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    2. Maybe I am just being dense, but I can't figure out how to fill out second round form so that I won't lose my round 1 assignment

      I already registered my round one choice

      If I fill in round 2 form, and input 10 choices, including my round 1 assignment, what would happen?

      If I fill in round 2 form, and input 3 choices (and happen to be what I put in round 1 as well), and does not include my round 1 assignment, what would happen?

      At the end of the day, where can I find some reading (big bold 48 flashing, or point 6 fine print), on how exactly round 2 works out?

      I don't claim I am an expert on how round 1 work, but I THINK I know what's going on

      Round 2, I am just clueless

      PS: too bad I found out this site this late, only 4 more days til round 2 deadline!

      PPS: while my round 1 assignment is not my top 3 choices, it's still part of my top 10, and I don't mind going there. I really want to be where Aaron above stated: I will not lose my Round 1 Assignment when I participate in Round 2 lottery.

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    3. The best info on Round 2 is here:

      http://www.ppssf.org/Enrollment/Assignment_enrollment.html
      Click on the "Round 2" tab halfway down the page.

      If you have registered at the school you were assigned to in Round 1, you don't include it on your Round 2 app. You only lose the Round 1 assignment if you get any of the schools you list on your Round 2 app. If you do get any of the schools listed on your Round 2 app, you will automatically be dropped from your Round 1 assignment.

      If you haven't registered at your Round 1 assignment and don't get any of your Rounds 2 choices, you could end up with no school at all. That's why it's recommended that you register at your Round 1 assigned school unless you absolutely would not go to that school under any circumstances and prefer no school to your Round 1 assignment.

      I'm not sure they would even let you put your Round 1 assigned school on your Round 2 app. If you've registered there, there wouldn't be any point to it and if you haven't, presumably it's a school you would never go to so what would be the point?

      Based on your PPS note, you should register at your Round 1 assignment and then put any school that your prefer MORE than that school on your Round 2 app. you won't lose your Round 1 assignment unless they find you a spot in one of the schools you prefer more.

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    4. Apr 8 4:05PM
      Thanks for the feedback!
      I guess one question I have is:
      In round 1 you MAY get assigned to something you do not even listed on your form
      In Round 2, this will never happen?
      This is likely my only confusion on how you get to keep your Round 1 assignment

      With Round 1, SFUSD is obligated to put your kid into ANY school, so you may get "lucky" and get assigned to something you never listed

      All subsequent rounds will ONLY work on the choices you put into the form?

      In short, if your choices are not drawn from Round 2/3/nth, you will get nothing, and thus the recommendation of registering your Round 1 assignment?

      Does SFUSD provide these sort of instruction/information for these subsequent rounds, or it's mostly a word of mouth thing to get the information out?

      Again, thanks!

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    5. Right. If you enrolled in your R1 assignment, the only possibilities you have for Round 2 are anything you list on the R2 application and your R1 assignment. you'll only get something besides your R1 assignement if you get placed in one of your R2-listed schools.

      The reason they sometimes put you in a school you didn't list in R1 if they can't place you in something on your list is because they're required by law to offer you a school. But they're not required to offer you a school again after that if you reject their R1 offer.

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  4. We really like Peabody but they are also going to do retrofit and build a new building on the site during the school year. But it is very hard to get into school. Not sure how sunset compares academically.

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  5. We also went 0 for 20, so are on to round two. I hear that this is where the real action occurs. We will go to round 3 if need be.

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    1. I hope you are right. What I hear is that little movement occurs on round two and most movement occurs in round three and the day day count

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  6. We also had 0 for 20 and going for round 2. Would love to have some feedback from other families who went through it, if the order on the list count that much, if we should go and talk to someone on Frankin to help with our choices, etc. I REALLY don't want my daughter to go to the school we are assigned to and wondering if I should still register her there or not. For now we don't have private back up options, if we do we need to put $1750 down and won't get it back if we end up not going... it's pricey for a back up plan! :(

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    1. We are in a similar situation. Very unhappy with our assigned school and don't want to register our son there. I don't have any advice, just a question to offer up to the group: I was told (by someone at the park, not an authority), that if you were assigned to a school that was not on your list at all, you are somehow "moved" to the top of the list for Round 2. Is this just wishful thinking or is there something to this?

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    2. I believe that was how the system used to work. I don't think that is true any longer. You can check with Parents for Public Schools.

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    3. Not being assigned one of your requested schools would have given you an advantage in the old assignment system. This is no longer the case with the new assignment system.

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  7. We will not be doing Round 2 or taking our Commodore Sloat spot -- a fine result, but we are going to stay at our private.

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  8. We are staying with our private school and not taking a spot at AFY. We are a non-Cantonese speaking family.

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    1. *mind boggles*

      Are you sure about that?

      Plenty of non-Cantonese speakers at AFY who thrive there and become Cantonese and Mandarin speakers. It's a National Blue Riband school: one of only 25 in the State.

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    2. Do you mind to disclose which private you pick? My niece got both AFY and Friends, and we are in heated debating on which one to pick. Thanks.

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    3. Oh- the problems of the lucky few with more than 1 excellent choice.. sigh...

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    4. "My niece got both AFY and Friends, and we are in heated debating on which one to pick."

      Well, they're totally different experiences. AFY is (1) free, (2) superlative academically, (3) immersion, (4) highly structured. There is are a lot of homework, which is either a downside or upside depending on your viewpoint.The afterschool program is excellent as well, although if your sister/brother hasn't signed them up yet it may already be full.

      Don't know much about Friends, but I have the impression it's much less structured. If your niece is a "free spirit", or was late in learning to talk, and your sibling has $200K to burn, Friends might be a better option. Otherwise, I'd go AFY.

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    5. 1:14 pm Thanks a lot for your advice. Now I have a different question. My niece is English learner, family language is Mandarin Chinese. We were very excited with what the immersion will bring her until we realize that the EL and EP ratio might be 50/50 in AFY. Will this hinder her ability to learn/speak "perfect" English?

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    6. I don't think you need to worry about English no matter which school your family chooses. AFY does a lot to get the English learners up to speed, including PTA-funded tutors; it's a big percentage of their PTA budget. Plus, she'll probably talk to her school friends in English because she speaks Mandarin rather than Cantonese.

      She may lag a bit at the beginning, but by 4th or 5th grade, she'll be acing the CST English/Language Arts tests with the rest of the AFY kids. If she struggles, you can always switch to an English-only school.

      As 1:14 pointed out, AFY and Friends' philosophies are very different: a more traditional East Asian/Asian-American approach vs a liberal American/Western culture, learning style and values.

      If the family wants to keep up her Mandarin, they can send her to Mandarin immersion camp for 4-8 weeks at CAIS in the summer. CAIS groups students by Mandarin fluency. If it matters, they have just switched to simplified characters. Good luck!

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    7. Do you think AFY and Friends are on par academically or would you think one school is stronger than the other? Or is the question too hard to answer because the pedagogy is so different? Thoughts?

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    8. I think the pedagogy is really different, but AFY does have a reputation and track record for being academically rigorous, while SF Friends does not. SF Friends students have done well in placement at high schools, but I'm an educator and know this is in part because view Friends grads as bringing in a special kind of diversity with Quaker values and no grades, versus predicting they will be successful. In fact, high school admission placement is very strong for all quirky or "so-called soft" independents (like Waldorf and Adda Clevenger) because like Friends, they're seen as adding a different pedagogy/perspective to the class. It is too early to tell whether any SF Friends graduates will do well after being admitted to high school: but AFY has a strong record you can research. Only 2 classes have ever graduated SF Friends: it's basically still a startup private school. AFY is more proven and rigorous.

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    9. My kids did the summer CAIS camp for 4 weeks for several weeks in a row. Would not count on it for keeping up fluency. That may be too much to ask from a camp anyway.

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  9. We will not be taking Miraloma.

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  10. Wow..after reading those last three posts, why did you even enter the lottery? Was Clarendon your first choice? I know this may sound harsh but your entrance into the lottery, then not taking 3 highly sought or at least up-and-coming popular schools means that 3 other families have been left out. I don't usually get heated and no I was not a parent who was looking for those schools but it makes me feel like the system really is flawed. (Breath)...this also means that hopefully a family who wanted those seats at least has a shot at them in the second round.

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    1. i am not one of the OP's, but what's wrong with trying for the lottery? the system is flawed, yes, but it is also set up in a way that encourages ANYONE to throw their hat in the ring for a good public school. yes, people get spots they don't take, and others are completely left out, but that's the system, and there's nothing wrong with everyone playing the game.

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    2. This isn't unusual. In other years, 25% of those who got their first choice in the SFUSD lottery declined it, either 'cos they moved or went private. While most on this blog are looking at public schools as Plan A, for some it's Plan B if they don't get into their preferred private.

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  11. I can't speak for the other posters, but I entered the lottery as a back-up in case we did not get a private school placement. We got a private spot, so I am not registering at Miraloma. If a spot at one of the privates we were interested in was guaranteed, then I wouldn't have entered the public lottery.

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  12. Yes, Clarendon was our first choice and we would have been tempted to take it if our child had been assigned to it. Also and completely surprisingly, my spouse's commute pattern changed since we entered the lottery, and what would have been a doable drop-off suddenly became unworkable. We are very happy at our private however and it is tough to leave a school that is already working for a relative unknown. Have to at least consider it because of the price difference, but still very tough. Hopefully the available spot will make another family happy.

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  13. Hopefully, the posts give people some hope in Round 2. Good schools apparently do open up.

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  14. there is not much movement in round 2. most of the movement happens in round 3 which is the first 1-3 weeks of school. at that round you can only list ONE school.

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    1. I don't know about round 2 movement but Round 3 submissions are due May 24th and are notified on June 10. Round 4 is due by July 26 and notification is August 9.

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    2. I haven't seen much about Round 3 or 4, or heard them talked about -- are they open to everyone, or only for special cases of some kind?

      Usually I read that if you don't get any closer to your top choice(s) in Round Two and wish to keep trying, there's nothing to do but get on the wait-list at your top choice...

      Are they just 'more of the same' with presumably only a small number of new assignments?

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    3. We went through this last year, and there was a round three sometime before school started in August. Not sure if this was just a waitlist run, or a round with more schools listed. Then there was another official run Aug 28 or so, though other movement seemed to be happening before and after that. Our youngest finally got the offer we wanted (but ultimately chose not to take given other complications) more than three weeks into the school year.

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  15. we are not registering for our spot at Sherman (a great school btw).

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  16. We got our #2 choice and have submitted for Round 2. I figured what's the harm in trying to get our #1? We enrolled in the #2 school and will be fine if we end up there but I'm fully prepared to go the distance if it means we can get our #1.

    So our Round 2 form only lists our #1 choice, which might be a mistake, given the swap stuff, right? Should I go back and revise it to include a bunch more after the #1 for swap value?

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    1. please don't "cloud" the system and take spots that could go to those of us that have nothing:) I can appreciate your wishes but imagine how you would feel if you had zero out of 20+

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    2. If the system is able to assign you to any of the schools on your Round 2 list, it will do that. And then you will automatically lose your Round 1 assignment.

      So, on your Round 2 list, you should only list schools you would rather have than your Round 1 assignment.

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    3. I'm the 10:45 OP:
      I don't think I"m clouding the system. It could be that someone really wants my spot at the #2 school and the school we'd prefer is not in huge demand anyway. I'm sorry (10:55) if you got 0 out of 20 but I assure you that we didn't have our sights set very high and everyone that I've talked to so far who was not placed in a school on their list had a list that included all the high demand schools and had very little overlap with our list. Our strategy has always been to not even bother with the popular schools.

      But I did realize that there's no point to putting anything besides the #1 school on our Round 2 list because we don't prefer anything over the school we got assigned to a apart from the 1st choice school. I would not want to be dropped from our assigned school (our #2 choice) for anything other than the 1st choice school.

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    4. We got our #3 and also plan on entering additional rounds for #1 or #2. I'm not taking a spot from anyone. I'm sure there are families who'd be happy with the Alamo spot we'd be giving up if we got one of our other choices.

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  17. we got a school that was not on our list (flynn). we took our private spot but we will still be trying for one of our top choices publics.

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    1. Do you mind saying which private?

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  18. So just a basic question I'm hoping someone can answer. Does Round 2 assignment follow the exact same assignment/swap methodology as Round 1, or is it just a straightforward assignment?

    We also were assigned to a school not on our list so we are curious whether there is anything different to do the second time around.

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  19. We are not taking our Grattan spot (because we are doing a private TK instead and subjecting ourselves to this craziness again next year!).

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    1. When is your child's birthday and why make that decision? Facing a similar choice so glad I'm not completely out there.

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    2. I hope you're not holding back your kid from Grattan because her private preschool told you she wasn't yet ready for kindergarten. Please remember that private preschools have a vested interest in persuading parents to pay another year of fees. My daughter's teachers at Temple Emanu-El Preschool went out of their way to try to convince us that she wasn't yet ready for kindergarten: we ignored their advice, and now she's at a great public school, reading at 3rd grade level, and thriving.

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  20. I am curious what private TK are you going to.

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  21. What are your experiences of round 2 impacting spots at privates? We are wait listed at our favorite privates and I was wondering if there still might be some hope.

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    1. Yes there is hope ... lots of people are holding onto private offers and going round 2 with the hopes of going public and giving up their private spots.

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  22. So am I the only idiot that can't figure out where to write the names of schools #11 on up? The form provided only has 10 spots and I cant find any advice on where or how to list more. We went 0 for 20, even though we placed our area school (New Traditions) high on our list. If I want to keep the same list do I need to list any schools at all? The form seems to imply you only need to list any changes to your original list.

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    1. I *think* there is additional form that allows you to list more schools (located either at EPC or online)

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  23. Second child, same result. We entered the lottery, filled in every spot, even though we wanted only Lick or Everett. Got Visitation Valley, didn't even get our feeder school that is Denman. This happened with my current 7th grader, entered the lottery, got MLK. Then got MLK every round through September 9. We made the decision to go to Catholic because we felt "forced" out of the system. I don't have high hopes for round 2 this time either.

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  24. question: we did not regiaster at our round one assigned school as there is no chance of us going there.

    if we dont get any of our round two requests, will they just assign us somewhere again? Or, no?

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    1. PPS would know for sure, but I remember people who were in your position last year, and didn't get anything on their round 2 list, posting that they got no assignment at all after round 2.

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    2. Did you check out your Round 1 school to see for yourself how bad it is? Even if you have no intention of going there, heard that you should register anyway as you go through all the rounds, and doesn't affect your chances one way or the other.

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    3. Here is the answer to that from Carol Lei of PPS-SF: the district is only required to offer you a school assignment in Round 1. If you do not register and claim that spot, you better have a Plan B, per Carol (such as private, parochial, home-schooling, or moving out of SF). You could end up with no SFUSD assignment in subsequent rounds.

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    4. I would think that if you know your child is not going to attend the school no matter what the outcome is in subsequent rounds, then don't enroll. It doesn't affect you and maybe someone else who wants the school will get it in round 2.

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    5. The PPSSF FAQ says:

      In the second round the district will not automatically offer you a school that is not on your list.
      If SFUSD is unable to place you into a school on your list it will not send you a new assignment.
      To get a school assignment, at this point, you can go to the EPC during Open Enrollment in June
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  25. I just received an automated message from SFUSD reminding me to enroll my child at our assigned school or call them to give up our spot. It also mentioned the round 2 process, which we are going to do...but not holding out much hope after how the first round went. I was just going to let our spot expire (an undersubscribed school that wasn't on our list and doesn't have any swap value). Are others calling schools to say they are not taking a spot? Is anyone giving up spots at highly-requested schools?

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  26. SFUSD has posted on its site a list of possible school openings for the May placement period. None of the schools are on the list of 30+ programs we were going to list. I don't get it. Surely not everybody who "won" the lottery in round 1 enrolled if they got the private they wanted? Shouldn't every school have at least a couple spaces up for grabs in Round 2, even if in reality those spots are going to go to CTIP 1 or attendance area before we would ever get a shot at them (unless somehow we can swap up from nada).

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  27. The list of openings on SFUSD's website is dated March 18 so I think it only includes schools with openings after Round 1 placements were made. It does not include openings created after people who received spots in Round 1 choose not to enroll.

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  28. formerly optimisticApril 10, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    Parents who are going for round 2 - what are you doing about after-school care? Is it possible to arrange without knowing which school your child will attend? Am I already too late?
    thanks...

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  29. Is anyone else stalking the Creative Arts Charter waitlist? Waitlist was updated and posted 5/8 and if I'm counting correctly there was no movement on the K list.

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