Thursday, December 9, 2010

NY Times: Top Test Scores From Shanghai Stun Educators

This from the Times:
With China’s debut in international standardized testing, students in Shanghai have surprised experts by outscoring their counterparts in dozens of other countries, in reading as well as in math and science, according to the results of a respected exam.

American officials and Europeans involved in administering the test in about 65 countries acknowledged that the scores from Shanghai — an industrial powerhouse with some 20 million residents and scores of modern universities that is a magnet for the best students in the country — are by no means representative of all of China.

About 5,100 15-year-olds in Shanghai were chosen as a representative cross-section of students in that city. In the United States, a similar number of students from across the country were selected as a representative sample for the test.

Experts noted the obvious difficulty of using a standardized test to compare countries and cities of vastly different sizes. Even so, they said the stellar academic performance of students in Shanghai was noteworthy, and another sign of China’s rapid modernization.

Read the full story

111 comments:

  1. It's interesting that many of our own kids' classmates here in SF schools are from Chinese families whose parents came here partly to give them a better education. And there may be a kid in some of your kids' classes who's a "helicopter kid," whose family has sent them here to live with a relative or friend just for that reason. There was a boy like that in my son's Lakeshore class and a girl like that in a choir with my daughter.

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  2. I went to HS in Shanghai, College in US.

    I remember that when I was in middle school, I got a copy of my US HS cousin's math exam and looked at the questions. I was able to do all of them. My college science classes in US is about the same level as the first or second year in HS in China.

    HOWEVER, I must emphasize that Chinese education does not encourage creativity, team work, critical thinking, communication skills, taking initiative, music, art and PE. No parent in China is satisfied with the educational system there, but due to the fierce competition to get into the local universities, everyone is driving their kids to study harder. That's why you see many "helicopter kids" from rich families in China.

    I still think the ideal education is the combination of both worlds.

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  3. We just had dinner with friends who live in Shanghai last night. Boy, talk about drill and kill. They finally moved their daughter to a private international school because it was taking all the fun out of learning for her. But it does result in excellent math and science scores. 10:18 is exactly right, we need to strike a balance.
    Myself, I'd like to see a longer school day and a longer school year. I've never yet needed my kids to work in the fields over the summer,,,

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  4. If SFUSD wants to lower the achievement gap and be an example of a high performing urban school district that rates favorably, not only a national but an international perspective, cutting gate programs is not the answer. I say this because it is one of SFUSD's new methods to funnel money away from the most committed and disciplined students in order to buttress lower performing students under the false notion that money/equity is real reason students do poorly in school.

    All the billions of compensatory education funding that has been poured into poor performing schools in SF over the last 3 decades has accomplished what? The highest achievement gap in California. Well if money is the answer, then expect the high performing schools to take a hit on the API as their budgets dwindle. But the scores won't drop because IT WAS BEVER ABOUT THE MONEY!

    China does well on far less per pupil because education is about culture more than anything else. This doesn't mean that funding should be adequate or equitable, but it does mean that Americans always put a price tag on things and think that money is the answer.

    SFUSD has also lowered standards for entry into AP programs in the name of equity. It isn't enough for give far more money to low performers, it is also necessary, from SFUSD's perspective, to give all students unlimited access to academic programs even if they are unprepared for such course work. And this all in the name of equity. And I say that having one overachieving son and one underachieving son (sped).

    So before Rachel Norton posts her usual response to such articles as this Shanghai story, which almost always includes being an apologist for SFUSD's efforts (sped excepted), it is important to note that this Board has done more than any other to starve out the highest performing students under the hair-brained banner of equity- believing that one's ultimate educational outcome is the result of entitlements rather than personal achievement. Or in the case of China - national pride. Ironically, the idea of educational entitlement has produced far more jobs than it has educated students.

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  5. Correction- "This doesn't mean that funding shouldn't be adequate or equitable"

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  6. Don, I"m with you Bro.

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  7. 10:18 here,

    Don, not everything is about you. Please, you have no clue about education in other cultures, what's good or bad about them, so it won't hurt to keep quiet for something you don't know. Seriously.

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  8. Is there a way to block his comments? He's ruined this blog. Most people I know don't read this blog anymore, because of him.

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  9. And it sure isn't about you either since you are Anonymous. Yes, we really take great stock in your anonymous opinion. You don't have the guts to stand up for yourself or have the self awareness that such cowardly behavior preempts an intellectual honesty or criticize of anyone who does have the willingness to be forthright in his or her declaration.

    Anyway, what do you know about my knowledge of other cultures to make such a claim? I spent several years living in other countries and have taught and worked around the world.

    Bite me.

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  10. Don, as if putting a name means anything over being anonymous on the net.

    You have no clue what education means for Chinese, and why. You don't know what the class hours are in China. You never saw any Chinese textbook. You don't even know how long a class period is, and how many periods per day. You don't know how many PE periods they have, or art, or music. You don't know what kind of exams they have. You don't know how the teachers are assigned. You don't know how kids get to school, and or get home after school. You don't know where they eat lunch.

    You don't know anything.

    And teaching at a language school does not make you a teacher, period.

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  11. Ignore him. He has no credibility, and zero integrity. He spends his days posting as several different people, having discussions with himself, he's an internet troll.
    Ignore the trolls.

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  12. Don,

    I think that they tell everyone to ignore you and read everything you write. They are enamored of you those Raquel Norton groupies. You give them reason to live. Keep up the good work and keep fighting the good fight. I wouldn't worry about the SFKFILES. There will always be mothers and fathers who will seek enrollment information and there is no better place to get it.

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  13. He has no credibility, and zero integrity.

    so says the anonymous blogger

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  14. Brandeis uses "the Singapore Math program" which it switched to a number of years ago. I'd be curious how it's working out.

    Re: the Don issue: if you don't respond to him he won't have anything to reply to. If you respond to him, he knows you've read what he's written, which is exactly what he wants you to do. Do not read what he's written and then you won't be compelled to comment and he won't have anything to reply to. Problem solved.

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  15. But even if you don't reply, it's true that opening up comments threads only to find them full of Don is a huge, huge drag. Even if I agreed with him 100% and thought he was brilliant, I'd still think he over-posts. It's possible that some Anonymous people do too, but even if you solve for the number of posts per day, nobody's posts are more long-winded than Don's.

    Personally, I miss having the school reviews be the "headliners." And I miss the days before Don took over.

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  16. I suppose all you SFUSD apologists think it is just fine and dandy to hire with BOE approval 7 newly created, highly paid, top management positions during the summer while everyone has their guard down and that this behavior is conscionable even though teachers and students have to return to even more classroom cutbacks. Oh ya, you're really on the side on children.

    And don't forget how SFUSD top level administrators were embezzling money while SFUSD administrators knew and looked the other way. Bascom did it because the culture there allowed her to.

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  17. 3:37.

    I pretty much agree with you. I must be a real drag for your card-carrying San Francisco liberal. People should ignore me if they don't like my posts instead of drawing attention to me by responding. As for being long winded, I have some longer some shorter depending upon the subject. This is nothing unusual unless you are used to reading only 100 words or less.

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  18. Don your a real assh*le.

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  19. Don, admit it, you don't know anything. You don't even know where to find the answers to my questions. Changing subject won't help you.

    Back to the topic.

    Now, the bad news:
    Shanghai students are nowhere the best in China. I am going to leave it here and see if Don can pretend that he knows everything and fill in the blanks.

    Now, the good news:
    Even Chinese would rather send their kids to a reasonably good school in US, than to a public school in China (no matter how high the test score is) if they have a choice. Again, I will leave it here and let Don fill in with his brilliantly reasoning (hint: it is always SFUSD's fault).

    Since we cannot get rid of this Don, I will at least try to have some fun with it.

    I will come back later with more details (real information) about the Chinese education, to keep this thread relevant.

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  20. I can tell that you love your First Amendment rights as much as I do. As for the grammar, I'm sure you ARE just sloppy like me.

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  21. Don you are more than sloppy. You are mean and angry and no one wants to read the blog anymore because of it.

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  22. In defense of free speech why don't you try to ignore any persons or posts that you don't like. You can turn on The View or MSNBC. You don't have to read the Don Files. Just turn it off. Exercise self control instead of trying to make everyone cater to you.

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  23. 4:26 If you want to feel better Prosac is going to do more for you than SF K Files.

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  24. That's why some discussion board offers the ability to ignore by user name.

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  25. Don, I think it might be good for you to have your own blog. You do have to have some supporters here, and maybe you could reach out to them with your own link to your blog. It is hard to read the posts where you post multiple times on the same subject (say, under this one). For one thing, we stop hearing from a lot of different people with different perspectives, and secondly, you spend a lot of time defending your position. It's just not that much fun to read. But maybe it would be fun for you to post exactly the same way somewhere else where people who wanted to read your posts or even to argue with them could go?

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  26. Would you feel better if I post as anonymous or use a pseudonym like this one or perhaps Horace Slughorn?

    You really seem to be missing the point. I'm not reaching out to supporters. I'm not running for office. I'm certainly not interested in developing a sycophantic group of supporters a la Rachel Norton. No, that is not my intent at all.

    No, I'm afraid your just going to have to learn to live with me and the Bill of Rights.

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  27. Don,

    We are all aware that you care deeply about the First Amendment. That is fine. But can you have any empathy for the rest of the readers of this blog? Can you care at all about other people's experience in this blog? There are times when one puts one's own needs (for self expression, for the First Amendment, for the need to be right or to correct others) aside not because those things are not valid, but rather for the greater good. Please consider this.

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  28. I'm lost here. Does 9:55 want Don to stop posting entirely or does he or she want him to post only as a fellow anonymous? Is it Don's POV that is at issue or is it the frequency or name recognition that is at issue?

    Don's 1st Amendment rights are more weighty than any empathy he should have for the feelings of anonymous persons who post here by forfeiting those rights. I see 955's heartfelt pleas as a ploy to remove opposing political commentary from reader's eyes.

    This leads to only one inevitable conclusion. A person or persons associated with the school system leadership is behind this effort to remove Don. Anonymous bloggers ought to know that they cannot censor a voice that comes out of no where and has no identity. Don need become anonymous to disappear. The fact that he doesn't take the road is to his credit. The fact that you do is to your discredit.

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  29. "A person or persons associated with the school system leadership is behind this effort to remove Don."

    Omigod, the grandiosity. I don't object to the politics of Don's posts, most of the time. It's the frequency, the length, the smug and accusatory tone, and the self-referentiality. It really has destroyed this blog. Free speech rights are hardly the issue -- it is not censorship to want someone to stop blabbering and stay on topic. Censorship is something the government or people vested with official authority do.

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  30. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652

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  31. It isn't about "free speech", it is about stopping trolls from ruining blogs.

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  32. On balance I feel that The Quibbler's points are valid. It is not sensible or reasonable to expect anonymous persons to possess the moral authority against someone who freely makes his identity known. That Me. Krause over posts or has views that are not in keeping with the majority should not be the issue. All you have to do is scroll.

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  33. We have the 1st amendment right to ask Don to shut up.

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  34. I posted about gate classes and the importance of them if we want to raise the bar in the context of international testing. Nothing I said had anything to do with me. But as usual, you are all talking about me.

    You want the blog to be in your anonymous image and replete with your views. Thankfully, things don't work that way in as open society. You have to deal with different opinions even if they are inconvenient. The day that most people want to silence opposition in the name of convenience is the day that we lose our national and international identity. Shanghai may have the best drill and kill performance, but they fail when miserably when it comes to individual freedom of expression. Some of the people on the blog seem to think more like the Chinese communists than Americans.

    Technically speaking I understand that this is not a free speech issue. Nor am I not shouting fire in a crowded theater. But those who truly respect the rights of other to disagree will hold that liberty in high esteem and put make their desire for a comfortable and self-satisfying on-line experience before it.

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  35. Narcissistic personality disorder

    Symptoms
    By Mayo Clinic staff

    Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders.

    Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

    * Believing that you're better than others
    * Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
    * Exaggerating your achievements or talents
    * Expecting constant praise and admiration
    * Believing that you're special and acting accordingly
    * Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
    * Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
    * Taking advantage of others
    * Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
    * Being jealous of others
    * Believing that others are jealous of you
    * Trouble keeping healthy relationships
    * Setting unrealistic goals
    * Being easily hurt and rejected
    * Having a fragile self-esteem
    * Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

    Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don't value themselves more than they value others.

    When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.

    But underneath all this behavior often lies a fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.

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  36. Don, other countries did not get high scores because of some GATE programs. So, you are just talking about unrelated issues in every single thread regardless of the topic.

    So, yes, you make every thread about you.

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  37. The only concession I am willing to make to this blog is to work harder at avoiding typos.

    Correction - NOT put their desire...before it.

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  38. Kate (the blogowner) could block Don's IP address from posting, if she wanted to. I wish she would.

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  39. Don is just having a little fun with you - pulling the mickey as we say in England. Don't take yourselves so seriously.

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  40. 10:47

    You are new to this blog, right?

    Go to any threads. Don is normally among the top 5 to reply, and no matter what the discussion is, he would somehow make it his topic.

    Whether he is having fun or not, this is not a socially accepted behavior. I am trying hard to teach my kids how to behave socially, so this is not acceptable.

    Once you stay on here long enough, you will understand how stupid it is to turn every single thread into Don's attacks.

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  41. Your not having dinner with the bloody gentry. He can ruddy say what he likes and hopefully it is civil.

    It is true I am new, well since September, and I have no problem with him. Some threads he doesn't post at all. I reckon his point on gate was not off-topic. We track in merry old aristocratic England as you well know. Only the most rigorous academic programs can complete at the top of the class of international players. What do you call it - honors and Advance Placement, those programs are where excellence is nurtured. Cutting them is a right stupid thing to do.

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  42. 10:47 and 11:09 are also Don, this time posing as someone from England.
    No English people I know use the word "ruddy" or say "Merry old England".

    They also know the difference between "you're" and "your".

    Amy, please block his IP address. This sockpuppeting is too much.

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  43. Professor Tralawney, as that you in the crystal ball?

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  44. "We are all aware that you care deeply about the First Amendment."

    Don has no first amendment rights on this blog. The blogger doesn't have to let him comment, and blogspot is owned by a private company.

    The blog would be better without him here prattling on with the his half-baked half-informed half-truths.

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  45. I read Don's comment from this morning. He was very clear about having no 1st Amendment right to post. His point was there is more to freedom of expression that the Bill of Rights.

    To this point there have been some efforts to curtail the power of conservative talk radio or Cable news outlets like FOX. Here, the 1st Amendment is the issue, whether you agree with the speech. There are those that would love to see such programming removed from the air waves. These are the same voices and the same operative mentality that wishes to silence Don. If he posted anonymously then what would they say?

    Because SF KFiles promotes anonymous commentary it also is hard put to ban. Anyone can comment using any number of wireless unsecured IP addresses from cafes, libraries or the neighbor next door. I'm pretty sure Kate understands this or else she may simply acknowledge the right for self-expression, the 1st Amendment withstanding, even is it is at the cost of readership.

    I just don't see what the problem is.

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  46. 2:00 (a.k.a. Don)
    Yes, you could still post messages from internet cafes but it will cut your posting by a significant amount.
    You are a troll, your main intent is to upset people and be argumentative.
    People want you silenced not because of your opinions, but because you are an asshole.

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  47. 2:00 deleted his last post.

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  48. Wow, I see at least 8 of those Mayo Clinic traits in Don's posts.

    And I never heard a Brit say "I reckon." Nor write in ridiculous pseudo-Cockney slang. I doubt that's Don, though. I believe he does have a fan or two out there and they're not all his sockpuppets.

    But I am not one of them. Sockpuppets, or fans.

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  49. 2:07,


    Call me irresponsible
    Call me unreliable
    Throw in undependable, too

    Do my foolish alibis bore you?
    Well, I'm not too clever, I
    I just adore you

    So, call me unpredictable
    Tell me I'm impractical
    Rainbows, I'm inclined to pursue

    Call me irresponsible
    Yes, I'm unreliable
    But it's undeniably true
    That I'm irresponsibly mad for you

    Do my foolish alibis bore you?
    Girl, I'm not too clever, I
    I just adore you

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  50. "You are a troll, your main intent is to upset people and be argumentative.
    People want you silenced not because of your opinions, but because you are an asshole."

    2:07, do you offer socialization lessons for children?

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  51. "And teaching at a language school does not make you a teacher, period."

    No, but having a credential and having taught for years does.

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  52. What is the process for removal of a scoutmaster?

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  53. "No, but having a credential and having taught for years does."

    Maybe we are getting to the real problem of Don.....teaching credential, but nobody would hire him (anyone would speculate a reason?) or he was fired....

    No wonder he was so bitter against the district...

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  54. Don stayed home to take care of his kids after they were born. I've known him for years and we've conversed on many occasions with regard to the effects of child care and the cost benefit of teaching versus stay-at-home parent. He's a good and decent person with a unique sense of humor. Your speculation and faulty conclusions speak more to your nature than to his. I will tell you this, too, from what I know of Don this effort to drive him off the blog will have no impact on him whatsoever. He doesn't give up.

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  55. 12:28
    whatever you say, don#16

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  56. "this effort to drive him off the blog will have no impact on him whatsoever"

    It will if his IP address is blocked, and if he has to go someplace other than home to do his sock-puppeting.

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  57. If we cannot drive him off this blog, we should at least have some fun with him, shouldn't we?

    I am so so so glad that he is not teaching.

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  58. I just started reading this blog. It is insane! I don't know Don from Jack but one thing is clear. You cannot accuse him of sockpuppeting if you are posting anonymously. That makes no sense at all.

    Maybe there is some back story to this riff and no doubt there is, but I haven't read anything offensive or out of line with his name attached to it. That is not true of some of the nasty comments on the other side. Can someone explain because from my perspective Don is looking victimized.

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  59. 3:52
    whatever you say, don#17

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  60. Fake Cockney? I beg your pardon. Maybe you have never been to England. The English use the word reckon all the time. Nothing to do with Cockney. You don't know much about English and I wouldn't mind if you hadn't been so unpleasant about it. Whatever the fellow Don is, you make him look reasonable.

    I'm not even from London or anywhere near the south side. I grew up in what was then Rhodesia and so my accent is unique. But Cockney?

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  61. 4:41

    whatever you say, don#18

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  62. Ignore the troll, please. Since this is an unmoderated neglected blog, trolls may easily take over, as this one has now.
    It isn't amusing, it is tedious and pathetic.

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  63. "newbie" is definitely "Don".

    I have never seen the term "sockpuppeting" other than this blog, and it took me a while to figure it out when I read it the first time. This "newbie" is quite familiar with the terms on this blog.

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  64. Sockpuppeting is a standard cyberspeak.

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  65. Some of you know that life is hard for people with disabilities. Cut him some slack.

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  66. do you realize that the majority of the comments here are you guys bickering?

    it's SO disappointing to go to the comments section, hoping to find some real discussion, and constantly reading all this crap.

    i don't know this don guy but, i believe, his initial comments are about his thoughts on education. if you don't like, skip over it. he posts his name so it's not like you don't know when he's commenting. i really don't need to hear your catty comments! they are more annoying to me than don's comments b/c it's childish and rude.

    it's his perspective, i may not always agree with it, but so what? i don't agree with what other's have said here either. at least they're taking an active interest in SF education and not being apathetic like so many people are. that's the beauty of having a forum - hearing and sharing from all sides!

    can we PLEASE stick to talking about education, esp since CA schools are one of the worst in the nation and it appears, this nation is not fairing so well internationally! i'm worried, concerned, depressed..

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  67. 9:07


    whatever you say, don #20

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  68. All sockpuppets of Don, he's gone off the deep end.

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  69. "he posts his name so it's not like you don't know when he's commenting. "

    He does not only post under his name, he posts under several different names, and anonymously as well. When someone is so hell bent on taking over all the discussions, it ruins it and cheapens it and makes it all ridiculous.

    To quote from something someone said on the last yahoo group Don was kicked out of, for pretending to be multiple people:

    "One person masquerading as
    three or more really does unfairly change the dynamic of the discussion. Not only does the opinion of said person become over-represented in the conversation, but that person's agenda can come to monopolize the group. Also, there's a basic betrayal of trust that makes serious discussion impossible.

    Once the online version of this happens in a group, it becomes hard to recover the trust necessary to have truly open discussion. Such an experience can lead to a sort of paranoia, in which one starts to wonder if many of the people in disagreement might in fact be the same person. This leads to a devaluation of divergent views, and ultimately increases the level of polarization on a board."

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  70. Welcome to that polarization. Everything he touches, turns to crap.

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  71. 10:07
    What are you talking about? Look back at the thread. Don made one comment in relation to gate classes and the attacks began. (This comment was not unrelated to the subject at hand.) The remainder of the thread is one attack after another upon him. If you really truly wanted the thread to be a worthwhile discussion you would not fill it up with attacks. A desire for dialogue is the thinnest of disguises. It is blatantly clear that someone's more interested in derailing Don than in any informative give and take. They have as much as said so straight out.

    And if that isn't bad enough, whoever is behind this witchhunt hides beneath a veil of anonymity, preserving his or her own identity while attacking the identity of Don who has put his name to his views. This is the very worst sort of behavior. I don't believe anything that I hear or read on SF kindergarten files.

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  72. 10:06, this is 9:07.

    i appreciate your comments but honestly, can't all the "anon" postings be from the same person? b/c this from allows anon posters, we really don't know who and/or how many people are posting.

    someone even thinks i'm "don#20" - so even ppl will always question/wonder who that poster really is. and no, i'm not don. my name's jennifer.

    the thing that's really sad is that we're all supposed to be parents. is this how we teach our kids to behave? how we talk to others, even if it's anon? how to respect other's opinions, even or perhaps esp if they are not similar to your own?

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  73. He forgot he was posting under his own name, and refers himself in the third person, at 12:32 in the morning, before he posted as "Jennifer" a few minutes later, at 1:07 am.

    12:32am:
    "Blogger Don Krause said...

    10:07
    What are you talking about? Look back at the thread. Don made one comment in relation to gate classes and the attacks began. (This comment was not unrelated to the subject at hand.) The remainder of the thread is one attack after another upon him. If you really truly wanted the thread to be a worthwhile discussion you would not fill it up with attacks. A desire for dialogue is the thinnest of disguises. It is blatantly clear that someone's more interested in derailing Don than in any informative give and take. They have as much as said so straight out.

    And if that isn't bad enough, whoever is behind this witchhunt hides beneath a veil of anonymity, preserving his or her own identity while attacking the identity of Don who has put his name to his views. This is the very worst sort of behavior. I don't believe anything that I hear or read on SF kindergarten files."

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  74. "Oscar Wilde would never refer to himself in the third person."
    -Oscar Wilde

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  75. OMG! Caught in the act! Wonder how soon before he deletes his 12:32 post pretending to be someone else but mistakenly posting under his own name?

    It is amazing how one person can basically ruin a blog. People have declared this blog dead before, only to see the next several threads get a lot of commentary. But now? It's like the sfschools Yahoo group before Don was kicked out. Threads become unreadable because you don't know which posts are "real," and the comments by Don are either putting everyone down because they don't agree with him or they're not pissed off enough about whatever his latest rant is. Bleh. I actually think that people have done a good job trying to ignore him (except on this thread), but somehow it just doesn't work.

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  76. 10:03, I agree.

    I wish it were as easy as just ignoring him, and even mentioning how annoying and childish all this sockpuppeting is, is giving him the attention he craves.

    I wish that Amy would turn the moderation of this blog over to someone who has time to deal with it. Simply blocking the IP address for a few months would do a world of good.

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  77. Too funny: For posterity - here is the post that was deleted where Don refers to himself in the third person. Thank god for google reader. Of course he can claim that the whole thing was fabricated to make him look bad. Because it's all about him.

    10:07What are you talking about? Look back at the...
    by Don Krause
    10:07
    What are you talking about? Look back at the thread. Don made one comment in relation to gate classes and the attacks began. (This comment was not unrelated to the subject at hand.) The remainder of the thread is one attack after another upon him. If you really truly wanted the thread to be a worthwhile discussion you would not fill it up with attacks. A desire for dialogue is the thinnest of disguises. It is blatantly clear that someone's more interested in derailing Don than in any informative give and take. They have as much as said so straight out.

    And if that isn't bad enough, whoever is behind this witchhunt hides beneath a veil of anonymity, preserving his or her own identity while attacking the identity of Don who has put his name to his views. This is the very worst sort of behavior. I don't believe anything that I hear or read on SF kindergarten files.

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  78. Well!

    I never believed the sock-puppeting charge until now, but Don's use of the third person in reference to himself is clear evidence. Don, your credibility is destroyed. Unfortunately, it may be too late: at this point there may be no way to save this once-useful blog.

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  79. The way to save it is to block Don's IP address from posting on sfkfiles.
    Sure, he could still post using other people's IP addresses, but it will greatly lessen his sockpuppeting.

    And again, this has nothing to do with the first amendment because there is no first amendment right to post on other people's blogs.

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  80. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  81. Can I block all of YOUR IP addresses? Jeez.

    Go ahead, call me Don #23...

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  82. 6:25, Feel free to do that, Don #23.

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  83. 10:58,

    The post you said was deleted was not deleted. It is still up on the blog.

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  84. Don thinks that Moggy is just pretending that she cares about the blog. She accuses anyone she wants to of being a sockpuppet without having any way to know whether it is true or not. As a result, many people who are just stating their opinion about what a stupid and gigantic waste of time this fraudulent dialogue is, are wrongly accused of being Don. This behavior, repeatedly endlessly, is more likely to drive away the very people that she claims she wants to help. But of course if everybody who doesn't agree with her is a sock puppet of Don, then what she really wants is to have a conversation with herself or people just like her. Don thinks that until Moggy is willing to come out of her anonymous closet, she has no authority to accuse anyone of anything.

    Don is sorry that you have been subjected to this stupidity, but there is little he can do about it.

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  85. 8:24,

    I think the person was posting the message so when Don deletes his little faux pas, what he did is still recorded.
    But I already copied and pasted his December 12, 2010 12:32 AM, post, back onto the board, for that same reason.

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  86. That doesn't make sense. His name is in blue at the top as signed into a google account. If he deleted it his name wouldn't appear there. No one else can sign into his google account. You are mistaken. He didn't delete the mistake. You are either confused or you are trying to confuse.

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  87. Who the hell is Moggy?

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  88. It is a person Don stalks and she has called the police about him.

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  89. I am actually in agreement with Don on dec 9 at 1059. It's a sad fact that these urban schools are ignoring the high performers. Sure, they accept them because they raise the scores of the school, but they do little to differentiate their teaching practices to encourage the child beyond their levels. We are experiencing this in a very urban, very poor ES in SF right now with a sad GATE program. He is right on this point. Maybe those of you with your children in trophy schools are not, but you are not the norm.

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  90. A nutcase who levels insults and accusations to suit her fancies.

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  91. Ya right don #1,789,473.

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  92. "It is a person Don stalks and she has called the police about him."

    Don has never met Moggy, doesn't wish to, and knows nothing about her other than that she is or was involved with special ed CAC, is pro charter and posts on blogs. Other than that all he knows is that she hates him and that she has made it her business to try to get other people to feel the same way through falsehoods and viciousness.

    If anything he feels the situation is reversed. The she is after him, but he would never use the word stalking to describe an on-line feud and he doesn't she away from a debate about issues as long as it doesn't become personal and nasty.

    Making these kind of stalking charges is beyond the pale and this behavior speaks to her character and so does her loosely veiled anonymity. I believe she repeats falsehoods in the hope that the more she says them and the more outrageous they are, that such constant speech will convince some just by its very frequency. It's ugly because life is too short for this nonsense.

    Don just came back from the funeral of a friend yesterday to more of this stuff. It really puts behavior in perspective.

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  93. Can we give it a rest now? OK?

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  94. Ignore it. Look at it as more fodder for the restraining order.

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  95. 2:01 You have a problem

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  96. This is why the Dons of this world are escorted out of school district headquarters:

    http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/15/staring-at-death-god-blocked-the-bullet-fla-school-official/?ncid=webmail

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  97. The last comment is an all together disgraceful display of hate gone wild. That link is about someone shooting a gun during a school board meeting. To whomever posted that I say this... whatever your issue is with Mr. Krause, you have made it more than clear to me exactly what it is he has to contend with in you.
    Such deeply debased commentary should not be allowed.

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  98. 1:31

    Whatever you say, Don #298

    It is true nothing is funny about the way you freak out school district employees with your venomous angry emails.

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  99. 2:25,

    Not everyone posting on this website is Don. He may have some unpopular views, but someone else is driving away readers. Contrary opinions generate interest and spark debate. Threats and intimidation just leave people cold.

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  100. "Narcissitic personality disorder" is being eliminated from the next DSM FYI. Both Moggy and Don are on the (autism) spectrum IMO as they both are obsessive in their interests and seem completely oblivious about how they come across to other people (and consequently frequently rub others the wrong way). This also makes sense as the disorder has a large hereditary component.

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  101. 10:49
    You're an idiot.

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  102. 10:49 is Caroline, also sockpuppeting. YAWN.

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  103. Yes, I thought that. She uses the words "completely" and "oblivious" all the time, usually when insulting newbie parents. It's her.

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  104. Why does PPS let her attack parents on their list? It makes people not even want to ask anything or post to the pps list.
    The other day a parent asked why she hadn't received a report card yet this year, and Caroline jumped all over that parent, assuming and accusing that parent of not going to the parent/teacher conference, of not volunteering at school, and of not playing an active role in her child's education. It was amazingly uncivil and pompous. Caroline's the last person in the world to be giving social skills lessons to other people.

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  105. People like Caroline and Don insist they know better. Isn't this their way of looking for validation, their need to be recognized as important? Call it what you want, but we don't need a bunch of egocentrists ruining an otherwise civil discourse.

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  106. Why has Moggy taken to targeting Caroline as well as Don? Is she really going over the deep end?

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  107. Going over? Been there, done that.

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  108. Moggy's been outted for her behavior on SF Schools for some time. Caroline bears the brunt of her treatment on regular basis, but most people are "completely oblivious" to it by now. SFKfiles is a larger pool and it is sometimes, for that reason, a little slower on the uptake. She molds events to fit her own special reality. It often works to convince people who are unaware.

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  109. Ignore the trolls.

    The subject is test scores in Shanghai.

    If people could keep their comments focused on the subject, and not on the people making the comments, that would be wonderful.

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