Saturday, October 9, 2010

Charter School Under Development: C5 International

C5 International School is a Reggio-Emilia inspired Public Charter School in San Francisco that is under development and targeting to open Fall 2011. The management team and Board of Directors of C5 Children’s School are the sponsor-developer and eventual administrators of the C5 International School.

  • The C5 development team felt strongly about creating C5 International School as a public charter school vs. a private school.
  • The plan is to start with Kindergarten through 3rd grade. (4th through 8th grades will be added in the following years.) The class sizes are planned to be 20 children each with a teacher & teacher aide. The school size is expected to be 100 with 2 Kindergarten classes and 1st, 2nd & 3rd grade classes.
  • Development Timeline: The deadlines for the charter proposal submission and Prop 39 facility request to SFUSD are the end of October. It will take 60-90 days to hear if the charter is granted.
  • You can find out more about this school at public meetings on Wednesday, October 13, and Tuesday October 26, 5:30pm—6:30pm at 455 Golden Gate Avenue. Please RSVP to Bev Melugin at b.melugin@c5children.org if you plan to attend. More details re: parking etc. can be found here.
  • They have 30 statements of interest to submit with their charter proposal. If you feel that this public charter school is a valuable option for your kid(s) entering K-3 for Fall 2011, please complete this form to be received by C5 by end of day Oct 27. (From what I understand, there is no downside to completing this form, because this doesn't obligate you from actually enrolling if the charter is approved.)

The positives: I feel that we need more charter school options (because they are outside of the SFUSD lottery system), Reggio Emilia is a great project based curriculum, the C5 Children’s School gets great reviews (there were a few PreK parents there), and the proposed director, teachers, etc. seem warm and capable.

The unknowns: Will SFUSD approve the charter? Where will SFUSD put C5? (On a side note: It appears that SFUSD will not move Creative Arts Charter from its Turk location. ADA improvements to begin Spring 2011.) The start & end times for classes and before/afterschool care are TBD.

I admire the C5 development team for choosing the public charter (vs. private school) route. I hope the C5 International public charter development team is successful and they can open by Fall 2011, because the curriculum is perfect for Hugo. I wonder, however, how uphill their journey is.

Any advice for the development team?

158 comments:

  1. Find a location, ASAP, so we can figure out if it's a realistic option.

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  2. SFUSD will NOT approve the charter. end of Story.

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  3. 9:06 why do you say that?

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  4. Isn't Creative Arts Charter Reggio and Project Based? Or maybe they were but are no longer? Does anyone out there know?

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  5. Yes. Cacs is and always has been Reggio and project based. To my mind this is yet another manifestation of parents' frustration with the lack of smaller grade size K thru 8s. When will sfusd wake up?

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  6. Questions about charter schools:

    - Do they have to meet the same California standards as do publics? Or are they exempt like the privates?

    - Is SFUSD obligated to provide charter schools with their facilities? Is this just SFUSD or all charters in CA?

    - Do charter school teachers need to meet the same state credential standards as public school teachers?

    - Are charter school teachers not unionized? Is this REALLY what Obama's charter school frenzy is about?

    - And finally, depending on the above, why can't public schools deliver the same, presumably, "alternative" pedagogy that charters market: Reggio Emilia, Project Based Learning, whatever the flavor of the month is, when there seems to already be exceptions within our public schools like language programs, Int'l Baccalauriat, etc?

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  7. Very good questions, 6:03.

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  8. I think it's amazing news that the Creative Arts Charter will get to stay where it is, and that ADA improvements were scheduled to start. I never thought that could happen, that the improvements were just more than CAC, or SFUSD could handle. I'm delighted they've been (it's looks like) improved; it should bring far more stability to the school, and the confidence that brings. My kids don't even go there; I'm just happy for them and for the families that will benefit.

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  9. I,too, don't see why this can't be done within one of the existing public schools. Rather than another charter elementary, I wish there were more charter middle and HS options.

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  10. CACS is not Reggio Emilia. RE was removed from the renewed charter because it was not in school wide practice. Their use of a project based curriculum is very spotty. Some teachers really get and embrace it others do on a subject basis and still others rarely if at all. There is currently little to no professional support assisting the teachers in developing and broadening the skill sets they need for PBL. These curriculums/ methods really do require learning teaching skills and pedagogy which both the SFUSD and the UESF are very resistant to.

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  11. @6:03pm
    A couple things I can answer for you

    -The teachers at Creative Arts voted last year to unionize. Many charters do not have teachers in unions, which is part of the controversy

    -Prop 39 requires charters to be given adequate facilities as part of a state proposition which was passed in 2000.
    http://www.smartvoter.org/2000/11/07/ca/state/prop/39/

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  12. I really wish there were more charter middle school options. Besides CACS' middle school and Gateway (proposed for 2011), are there any other charter middle schools in the works? We could really use more choices on the SE side of the city.

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  13. "These curriculums/ methods really do require learning teaching skills and pedagogy which both the SFUSD and the UESF are very resistant to."

    Sounds like an excellent reason to seek out independent school options. Need a kidney anyone?

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  14. Well, there are the 2 KIPP charter schools that run from 5-8, but somehow I doubt that would be interesting for a reader of this blog.

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  15. This sounds like a school, like CACS, which will provide a safe haven for white, middle-class families. Do we really need 2 of them?

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  16. "These curriculums/ methods really do require learning teaching skills and pedagogy which both the SFUSD and the UESF are very resistant to."

    Puzzled why you say this given that SF Community has been doing PBL since its creation and been doing better test-wise than CACS, despite having more challenging demographics. Clarendon also does PBL, but not sure if it's to the same extent as SF Community.


    "This sounds like a school, like CACS, which will provide a safe haven for white, middle-class families. Do we really need 2 of them?"

    Well, in fairness to CACS, the same can be said of many of the trophy schools: CACS hasn't skimmed off as many of the high-SES families as is typical of an urban charter school because of the lottery system and the trophy publics.

    In a lot of districts where there's not a choice mechanism, the charters are the only non-neighborhood school option; but that's not the case with SFUSD, so CACS is competing with Grattan, Miraloma, Alamo, etc.

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  17. My child is at Edison Charter on SE side (Dolores and 22nd). A few of the parents I talk with live in the neighborhood and were 0/7 or 0/15 whatever. Edison goes K-8 and most of the families are happy with the choice.

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  18. I wish they would open a bunch of immersion charter schools. I would love to get immersion without having to deal with the Student assignment system and the teacher's union.

    I know that there are some great teachers in the union, but the way the union preserves the bad teachers is a mess. To me - this is what makes charter schools attractive. I am not opposed to unions, just to poorly functioning ones that bring everyone down by trying to protect the bad apples.

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  19. thanks 4:57 - I was wondering how the families at Edison Charter were doing - I really hope this school takes off. Keep us updated

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  20. "This sounds like a school, like CACS, which will provide a safe haven for white, middle-class families. Do we really need 2 of them?"


    @ 2:32: Have you actually visited CACS? It's pretty diverse. Like many public schools in the district, my kids' class has a solid mix of asian, latino, pacific islander, african american, lgbt families and every flavor of family you can imagine. I hardly think it's as "white" as you seem to think.

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  21. Um, the lower grades at CAC are NOT diverse at all in terms of socioeconomics. Maybe it is different in the upper grades.

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  22. SFUSD would like more project-based learning, but it takes a lot of money for professional development, and extra time for teachers to implement. High burn-out rate for new teachers doing project based but for those that stick with it (like at SF Community), good results for students. This is something parents should advocate for in the regular public schools.

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  23. "I wish they would open a bunch of immersion charter schools. I would love to get immersion without having to deal with the Student assignment system and the teacher's union."

    Why? Any immersion charter is going to be oversubscribed with places allocated by lottery, just like the SFUSD immersion schools. Try getting into FAIS or CAIS without going through their preschool first. (CAIS typically has a 10-to-1 kill ratio at kindergarten level.) And that's with a $20k+ price tag.

    SFUSD started the first public chinese-immersion program in the US (W.Portal) and the first public chinese immersion school (AFY). It's been a pioneer in immersion when it was thought highly experimental. AFY parents can tell you of the days when they had to convince skeptical parents that their kids were not going to be permanently screwed by having immersion. Oh, and those teachers that showed the model could work? UESF members.

    Why the frickin' hate?

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  24. "Have you actually visited CACS? It's pretty diverse."

    According to Greatschools, CACS is 44% white, 3% ELLs. Compared with 11% white, 24% ELLs for SFUSD.

    Even compared with Lilienthal (32% white) or Rooftop (28% white), CACS is ethnically very unlike SFUSD schools. And compared with Alvarado, Flynn, or AFY, walking into CACS is like visiting Idaho.

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  25. Creative Arts Charter School's nick-name:

    "Caucasian Arts Charter School".

    The new administration has ousted many children of color, saying they "could not meet their needs".

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  26. Actually, Grattan and Miraloma have a higher percentage of white students than Creative Arts does (47%). And McKinley has a high percentage too, at 32%.

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  27. Well, I wish the folks at C5 lots of luck-especially on securing a location. I hear there's a site available in BVHP.

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  28. "Actually, Grattan and Miraloma have a higher percentage of white students than Creative Arts does (47%)."

    2. Out of ~70.

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  29. It's not so much that CACS is 47% white. Many schools have a preponderance of one ethnicity usually attributable to the surrounding neighborhood. When viewed through this lens CACS located in the middle if the Western Addition does seem to be growing oddly "whiter" rather than reflective of the surrounding neighborhood whose children who are predominately african american. This is most evident in the lower grades which if out reach were successfulful would be far more diverse than they currently are.
    Re: C5, sorry. Isn't likely to happen.

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  30. And your point is...what?

    Malcolm X is 51% African American
    Moscone is 55% Latino
    Yick Wo is 55% Asian

    Not too many public schools represent the actual demographics of San Francisco.
    Most have a majority of one or another ethnic/racial group.

    CACS conducts a straightforward lottery. *Anyone* from SF can apply. The students' place on the wait list is published on the CACS website. The process for applying is fair and transparent. CACS is known in the community and draws from it's nearby western addition neighbors, many of whom are low income students.

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  31. Thank you, check the locations of those schools and you've just made my point again. BTW other charters also conducting admissions by lottery are far more diverse than CACS. If a more diverse pool was applying that would be apparent in a more diverse student body. It's disengenuous to compare yourselves to other public schools when you play by your own set of rules.

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  32. "Malcolm X is 51% African American"

    And is in BV/HP

    "Moscone is 55% Latino"

    And is in the Mission

    Yick Wo is 55% Asian"

    And is in Chinatown.

    These schools reflect their neighborhoods. CACS doesn't, and it doesn't reflect the city as a whole either. It's not the only school that way, but the assertion:

    "This sounds like a school, like CACS, which will provide a safe haven for white, middle-class families."

    ...looks valid. Only CACS is punching below its weight test-score wise compared to say, Grattan, McKinley or Miraloma. Especially as the %age of ELLs at CACS is negligible.

    I'd say it's status as a charter and the internal politics arising from that have caused CACS to be weaker that its demographics would predict. Attempts upthread to blame the district and UESF are unwarranted.

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  33. K families, try to take all the venom with a grain of salt. Lots of haters out there. Trust your instincts and your family's needs and you'll be fine.

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  34. I don't see where anyone is "hating". You may not like what people think of CACS but that doesn't negate a vald point. Plans for insuring diversity and addressing educational equity, adherence to ones mission statement, viable administrative structure and stability, answering an under served need, and so on, all factors which must bear up under intense scrutiny before SFUSD will even consider granting a charter to a new school. It's only logical to look closely and critically at the SFUSD's only K-8 charter.

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  35. FYI-

    Edison charter is also k-8 and has been around for years.

    The assessment that "Only CACS is punching below its weight test-score wise" is a positive thing in my mind.

    It reflects that the school is not teaching to the test and is indeed doing PBL. To use the test scores as a metric to measure anything other than SES is folly.

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  36. Edison until v. recently was part of a for profit chain of charters whose charter was granted by the state not the city. In terms of C5, CACS has more similarities.

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  37. 6:24, so are you bragging that your school has terrible test scores?
    Are you saying that any parent who cares about results on standardized tests should not bother to enroll at Creative Arts?

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  38. "To use the test scores as a metric to measure anything other than SES is folly."

    That is just untrue. Many low income Asians score extremely high on the standardized tests. But Creative Arts doesn't have many Asians enrolled.

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  39. 7:41:

    I guess the fact that I'm Asian and my kids are mixed doesn't count. There are actually quite a few of us at CACS. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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  40. CACS Asian enrollment: 12.2%
    SFUSD Asian enrollment: 41.3%

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  41. Ok, so what perfect school does your child attend, 10:39?

    Personally, I'm grateful that our family was lucky to have a charter option available. Yes, the school isn't perfect (are any of them?), but my children are thriving and happy and really LOVE learning and have had some inspired teachers, including phenomenal art and music teachers.
    Project based, yes.

    For my family that counts miles more than test scores...which, incidently, are not "terrible". 771 API this year and going up. There's more to the total picture than testing and statistics I would hope.

    Not for you, and that's ok.
    Please don't apply.

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  42. To people who are thinking about applying to CACS for their children:

    Please do not let the snarky tone of 8:41 and 11:45 alienate you. Most parents there are friendly. Most would never tell you NOT to apply. (That's just hostile and unfriendly! I apologize on behalf of our school!)

    Instead of being defensive, I'll just admit there are issues...

    Yes, we have problems with a lack of diversity, but we can only enroll people who apply, and so far Latinos and Asians are not attracted to our school.

    Yes, the test scores for the upper grades are not great, but the middle school is being revamped and hopefully that will improve.

    My kid is happy there and he "tests" very well.

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  43. 11:45 here-
    It's hard to not be defensive when someone refers to your school as "Caucasian Arts Charter".
    Anyway, I apologize if I came across as "snarky".

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  44. People I know who left CACS for middle school expressed concern about the quality of academic instruction in the upper grades. While not "teaching to the test" is generally considered a positive, on the flip side, parents were concerned that their students weren't mastering critical skills, particularly in math.

    It sounds like a lot of the things that make the school really lovely in the lower grades (small, nurturing environment, "gentle" academic expectations) become negatives for some families at the middle schools level (insular social environment, not rigorous enough.) When you're picking a school for a 4-year old it's tough to predict what that same child will need when he or she is 11.

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  45. It's a little bizarre that people are complaining about lack of diversity at CACS when there are schools that have over 60% of one group in the city.

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  46. There are demographic weirdnesses at many schools ...

    Alamo has 4 African American students (out of 550!)

    Argonne has 12 African American students (out of 406!)

    Some people just want to pick on us because we are a charter school.

    Don't let it faze you. I though "Caucasian Arts" was funny, in a sick sort of way.

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  47. thought ... not "though"

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  48. @12:42p.m. I think the point made was that schools usually reflect the demographic of their immediate neighborhoods and CACS does not. Look at the demographics for Rosa Parks GE or Cobb, CACS's two closest neighboring schools for a graphic illustration.

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  49. Actually our school does reflect the neighborhood. Have you been to NOPA/the panhandle lately?

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  50. I know plenty of people who went 0/7 who would have added more diversity to their neighborhood school i.e. Alamo but were assigned to Cobb.

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  51. 1pm:

    It's interesting that you mention Rosa Parks, as I know the JBBP program is currently drawing large numbers of white middle class families who might never have considered the school otherwise; same goes for language immersion strands, Montessori, Waldorf, Reggio-Emilia, etc. in many other schools around the city.

    CACS's focus is the arts which probably is a big draw for middle class families that have been described.

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  52. Which brings us full circle and the question was: Any tips for C5 as they pursue their charter ? Yes, show the BoE in an irrefutable way that you are not another school primarily for the city's white middle class. Unless you can do that you haven't got a chance.

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  53. Yes, try to open it in Oakland, not in SF.

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  54. "show the BoE in an irrefutable way that you are not another school primarily for the city's white middle class."

    Wow, talk about class hatred.

    Given the fact that most of the west side is not white, but Asian, I'm surprised that your hatred is so targeted at white people, who in fact, are now a minority in San Francisco public schools.

    By the way, the reason that CACS has trouble attracting non-whites is that it is gay friendly. Non-whites are probably less comfortable with a gay-friendly school than whites, which is why CACS has trouble attracting them to the school.

    And before you get all up in arms regarding this comment, you can check the polls regarding the legalization of gay marriage. It is whites are the most comfortable with this ideas. Latinos and blacks are the most uncomfortable with it.

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  55. I think the low test scores, not the large number of gay families, makes CACS unattractive to many immigrant families. Also, the separate application procedure shuts out many less-informed district families.

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  56. Get real, 10:03 AM.

    The "less informed" are not "shut out." It is our equal responsibility to become informed about school possibilities. There is plenty of multilingual information at Franklin Street regarding CACS. The "less informed" opt out of CACS for other reasons than not knowing about it.

    In fact, it has been ELLs and the poor that have priority access to schools, so they needn't have even bothered to consider CACS.

    Contrary to what this person (or persons) is(are) implying about CACS being "white", there are a large number of black kids, likely from the local neighborhood, who go there.

    "I think the low test scores, not the large number of gay families, makes CACS unattractive to many immigrant families."

    White families such as ours also opted out of CACS because of the low upper grade test scores. However, our white family only considered across town CACS in the first place, because we were shut out from our local schools.

    So again, it doesn't fly that only immigrant families opt out of CACS because of test scores. If that were true, Cesar Chavez Elementary would be empty.

    Latino and black families, more than whites, opt out of CACS because it is gay friendly. Also, they don't have to consider CACS in the first place, because they have had priority access to other schools with higher test scores.

    No two ways about it.

    I'm really sick of hearing about how whites in this city are the mean monsters of race. Their desire to be with their own is no worse than other racial groups.

    Let's get over it and move into the 21st century.

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  57. Most people do not even know about CACS. It is buried in the back of the enrollment guide. You have to apply separately.

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  58. 11:16, you are creepy, and full of anger.

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  59. 11:16, lots of schools in sf are gay friendly, you have it all wrong.

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  60. I hope C5 is an improvement over CACS. I toured and really did not care for CACS and it had nothing to do with the color or sexual orientation of the families with kids at the school. It was just very disorganized and chaotic compared to other schools I toured and that is not my cup of tea. I also really did not like the evasiveness of the administration. I did not focus on test scores. I am sure kids can thrive at the school but those were my personal turn-offs.

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  61. I think a C5 charter would be awesome! Their CDC program seems terrific and I hope they make it.

    Re: Idaho vs. Bejing: CACS is 44% white, Lilienthal is 33% Asian. After that it's a wash -- both have 2-3% Filipino and 10-11% Hispanic and 9%-13% multiracial and 12-16% African Americans.

    So to recap:
    1. Welcome C5!
    2. Haters gonna hate. I brush my shoulders off cause I'm super clean wit it.

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  62. @9:22 a.m. you have obviously never sat in on any charter hearings nor attended many LBGT family events. Let me guess, one of a pair of hetro white middle class parents ? Please stop letting anonymous be your ugly's umbrella. That is all.

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  63. "2. Haters gonna hate. I brush my shoulders off cause I'm super clean wit it."

    What does that even mean?

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  64. 3:23 PM:

    Huh?

    I'm actually supporting CACS right to be a gay friendly school. However, it is perhaps not possible to be the all singing all dancing diversity school.

    If CACS is a gay friendly school and if that attracts more LGBT families, then I support that.

    I course, because our family is straight and various shades of white, any opinion that we have must be both racist and homophobic.
    Is that really how you see the world?

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  65. @5:08p.m: No, but apparently it might be how you do. Harvey Milk CRA has many LBGT families and until recently a very out (and outstanding), principal. Harvey Milk is also wonderfully diverse. They are one of many examples. Your assertion that "the reason that CACS has trouble attracting non-whites is that it is gay friendly. Non-whites are probably less comfortable with a gay-friendly school than whites, which is why CACS has trouble attracting them to the school." is indeed both homophobic and bigoted. My sincere hope is that as a parent and a human being you can one day see this.

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  66. Look, 6:01pm, Harvey Milk is gay friendly, Alvarado is gay friendly, etc.

    CACS is gay friendly.

    The private school that we ended up at is very gay friendly.

    Like it or not, for a combination of reasons, there are not a lot of Latino families at CACS.

    Two reasons for that:

    1. Latino families generally have been able to gain access to their local schools through the old assignment system.

    2. Many (not all) Latino families are uncomfortable with LGBT friendly schools. As I've said, you can look at the polling statistics to see which racial groups are the most and least comfortable with same sex marriage. It's true that Mexico city has OK'd gay marriage, but outside of that area, Mexico remains uncomfortable with gay marriage.

    I find it ridiculous that people on this thread are saying that a charter school would, like CACS, be a haven for more white families.

    CACS is diverse and there is no reason why another charter school wouldn't also be diverse.

    I'm not particularly pro-charter school, but this accusation of charter schools being havens for race hating whites is truly inappropriate and untrue.

    Anyway, I have to make dinner, unapologetically, for my straight, white family.

    Best of luck to you.

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  67. People get so sidetracked, don't they?

    The point was that C5 would have a hard time getting their charter granted by SFUSD because it will be SEEN to be catering to middle class white people, who, face, it, are the ones attracted to Reggio Emilia artsy type schools. Yes, there is some generalization there, but they were asking what tips anyone had for helping them open this school.

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  68. And you guys know what TROLLS are, don'cha? They come into these discussions and say flippant and offensive stuff just to cause trouble. Ignore them.

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  69. Point taken @7:29. Why, oh why do I fall for their below the bridge shenanigans? " :)

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  70. The problem is that poor people and people of color in San Francisco are far less likely to participate in the school choice procedure at all.

    The data are on SFUSD's website.

    Blaming homophobia among communities of color is far too facile. You are assuming 100% participation in the school lottery and charter procedures. That isn't the case. And the participation is massively skewed toward middle class and above families and white families.

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  71. E Rat,

    The Board's survey this year examined why communities of color often did not participate in school choice.

    What the survey revealed is that families in the Mission and Bayview most often wanted to attend their local schools. They weren't interested in driving across town.

    Therefore, there was little advantage for them to participate in school choice.

    So the myth that families in the Bayview and Mission overwhelmingly wanted their kids to attend schools miles from their homes is just that: a myth.

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  72. no one's assuming 100% eRat.

    There are PLENTY of latino families that participate, on-time for the lottery. If you remember, there were waiting lists at moscone and Bryant (people on the waiting list that applied on time).

    It's no big deal. Lot's of latino families choose schools that are close by and where a lot of other latino families already attend.

    Schools that have a high % of latino families, tend to have a high % of catholic families and a corresponding high % of families that don't believe in gay marriage.

    This is not a huge stretch.

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  73. I live in the neighborhood of CACS and have for the last ten years. In fact I live on the same street. There are definitely more black families who live in this area going to the school. Lots of them walk to and from school with parents or caretakers. I don't have the stats on Asians or Latinos, but locals, yes.

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  74. ERAT,

    So you think you know what's best for the minorities, those of Asian descent excepted? And that would be school choice. Did it ever occur to you that some people might want to attend their neighborhood school?

    Do you proselytize your elementary schools students with your political views? What school do you teach at?

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  75. It is interesting to me that pointing out a fairly obvious flaw in an argument qualifies to some as "proselytizing".

    The fact that many Latino families participated in the old lottery process and the fact that many families may prefer neighborhood schools does not change the reality that poor families and families of color were far less likely to participate in the lottery process. This is an access problem.

    What you read into the mild stating of fact is your own business, but it is remarkably telling that simple, straightforward facts lead you to threaten me. I hope you don't have a daily paper delivered, since I suspect it might cause Spontaneous Human Combustion.

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  76. 8:47

    78% of parents in bayview/HP chose to send their children almost 5 miles away from bayview/HP.

    The survey asked if they would PREFER to send their children to a school close to home, but that was assuming that the schools were better than they are now.

    Go by the facts, 78% chose to send them far away from the neighborhood.

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  77. "SFUSD will NOT approve the charter. end of Story."

    Not end of story.

    C5 will undoubtedly go to the SBE and they will undoubtedly overrule SFUSD. That's the way it works. You didn't really think the State Board of Education would allow some local rabble to upset their charter school ambitions, did you?

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  78. "The fact that many Latino families participated in the old lottery process and the fact that many families may prefer neighborhood schools does not change the reality that poor families and families of color were far less likely to participate in the lottery process. This is an access problem."

    A little slow on the uptake, E. Rat?

    Access problem? Damn straight. Whites in the SE will bail the public schools if they don't have access and the system was built for them, the liberal base in SF. The laugher for me is how these people promote diversity and school choice in the name of morality and equity when the real reason behind it is to provide school choice for themselves and to the exclusion of the less able - the access problem you pointed out. For a person that prides herself on understanding of the system, you seem to have missed that big yellow bus belching smoke in your face.

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  79. " I'm surprised that your hatred is so targeted at white people, who in fact, are now a minority in San Francisco public schools."

    *Now* a minority? They're 10-12% of the intake, and that's been the case for over a decade.

    Whites have been a minority in SFUSD schools probably since the introduction of busing.

    Even including the parochical & private school kids would only get you to 25-30%.

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  80. "Whites in the SE will bail the public schools"

    Where to? Most of the private schools are in the north of the city.

    The Stanford folks estimated that 80% of K-5 kids in the SE neighborhoos (e.g. Bernal, Excelsior, Potero) went public, compared with 50% for the Richmond.

    There's people bailing on the publics in SF, yes, but it ain't those pesky libruls in the SE. Look closer to home, Don.

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  81. I don't think Don is talking about the people who by and large have no options to go private. To cite statistics for the whole population of an area is to miss the point: There are a lot of people in the SE who will go private or move before they send their kids to the local bottom 5% school.

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  82. "The Stanford folks estimated that 80% of K-5 kids in the SE neighborhoos (e.g. Bernal, Excelsior, Potero) went public."

    I guess the Stanford "folks" didn't talk to the families on my street. Of families with school age children:

    1 Latino Spanish speaking family at Rooftop
    1 Latino Spanish speaking family at Buena Vista
    2 families with kids in private school
    3 families who moved as soon as their kids got to kindergarten

    And Stanford "folks" also didn't talk to the families who were assigned to Junipero Serra. Someone should do a follow up on that. However many families assigned to Junipero Serra this year now have kids attending? What happened to the kids who aren't attending. Where did they end up? Does anyone at the SFUSD care? Why isn't there a follow up?

    Now that the Stanford "folks" have moved on, I doubt that anyone is even thinking about the "bleed" of middle class families out of public schools.

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  83. "And Stanford "folks" also didn't talk to the families who were assigned to Junipero Serra"

    Well, they must have been happy enough, given that the JS assignment area got extended to the South side of Bernal Hill, which was well received on the Bernal Heights Parents Yahoo group.

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  84. "I guess the Stanford "folks" didn't talk to the families on my street. Of families with school age children:"

    Repeat after me: The plural of anecdote is not data.

    See
    http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/Attending%20Private%20School.pdf


    (Estimates are from Lapkoff & Gobalet Demographic Research, Inc, but I first remember seeing them in a presentation by the Stanford academics)

    Scads more data at:

    http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/default.cfm?page=policy.placement.assignment.so_far_maps_data

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  85. Honest question: What's the diversity of the CACS faculty, staff, and Board of Directors look like? That may have some impact on families opting to apply or not.

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  86. "Well, they must have been happy enough, given that the JS assignment area got extended to the South side of Bernal Hill, which was well received on the Bernal Heights Parents Yahoo group."

    What does that have to do with anything?

    Most of the parents assigned to JS never took it. So grab a clue.

    And that's not to say that there isn't going to be improvement at JS, but your talking like it's all been solve, that JS is Clarendon and the families at JS are cheering about their middle school options. There's years ahead of hard work and uncertainty.

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  87. Yes, I hope that the C5 International Charter people bypass the SFUSD.

    Thanks, Don, for this information.

    All of the chatter in this thread about lack of diversity in charters is garbage.

    It's clearly political and perpetrated by die-hard-protect-the-union-at-all-cost types.

    It's shocking to see how much they have taken over the SFUSD.

    I never used to be anti union, but this is really too much.

    I hope C5 International Charter is successful.

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  88. "Most of the parents assigned to JS never took it. "

    So? They got better options at Round 2 or off the waitpool, or went private.

    But on this group there was "we can work with this" reaction once parents visited JS. And there was a distinct absence of freak-out from Bernal Parents when JS' attendance area was expanded into the south part of Bernal. It does not deserve your contempt.

    Anyway, to my original point:
    Most. SE. Families. Go. Public.
    Most. Families. In. The. North. Don't.
    So. There. Is. Less. Private. Capacity. In. The. SE. Than. In. The. North.

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  89. all white middle-class board

    director with only private school resume, according to website, presumably hired by board

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  90. "and there was a distinct absence of freak-out from Bernal Parents when JS' attendance area was expanded into the south part of Bernal."

    Uh, no, that's not what happened.

    The JS assignment area was "improved" to take on more upscale Bernal families along the boundary of Cortland. Downscale projects at the bottom of the hill along the 280 were removed from the JS assignment area, as was the mostly downscale neighborhood west of Mission. So no wonder liberal upper middle class Bernal parents didn't "freak-out" when their map was redrawn.

    Anyway, Bernal parents have been "freaking out" about getting terrible school assignments for several years. The Bernal Library playground has been a ground zero freak out center. That's where I've met the SFUSD teachers who tell me how unhappy they are with SE schools. Its only this year, after Campos started to feel a little heat, that they stopped assigning Bernal parents to hell and gone.

    Anyway, I'm happy about JS. Bernal has needed a good GE program for years. It will improve my property value, even if the middle school option for JS is likely to suck. I'll let someone else do the screaming on that front.

    So stop selling the Kool-Aid and roll up your sleeves, because if you're headed for JS, you've got your work cut out for you.

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  91. I'm really saddened about the persistent negative comments about CACS. You can say a lot of negative things about the school -- like why it is on paper supposed to be like the Oakland School of the Arts but in practice is a pale shadow of that place. (If you want to see what a charter with drive can do in the arts arena, take a tour of that place!) But the notion that CACS is somehow "responsible" for the lack of diversity there is ridiculous. It is a lottery, folks. There are no "white" preferences in its admission requirements. And the notion that there's something wrong about the fact that its new prinicipal taught at a private school is beyond ludicrous. My kids' public school teacher used to teach several years ago at a private school. So what? Gee folks, plenty of teachers move around to different jobs -- they work in the private sector and in the public sector. It is called the labor market. Welcome to the marketplace, folks!

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  92. the lack of diversity on the board, the decision to hire a guy with no public school experience working with populations like the one surrounding the place: all that sets a strong tone for who/how things are run and what's prioritized there

    the impression is what other postings have talked about: a "haven" from urban public school for some people seeking a free standin for private

    heard some of this from a friend at CACS - and stuff like, it feels to her like a small clique of well-off white parents run things etc. (though this happens with some PTAs, they have less power in my experience)

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  93. "a small clique of well off white parents run things"

    Sadly they are totally ineffective to boot. CACS is facing a huge fiscal deficit and no one, board or admin is doing a damn thing to try and bridge the impending shortfall. They hired the formerly private school admin guy for his blazing fundraising skills but so far ain't seen much fire.
    Surprise, some parents DO read the budgets.

    C5: make sure your projected numbers add up!

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  94. A recent look at Oakland School for the Arts:

    http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/10/14/2117365/jerry-browns-charter-schools-a.html

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  95. Caroline and the other Charter bashers:

    CACS is not perfect, but how would you like the school you sent your children to trashed all the time?

    Please do those of us who send our children to CACS a favor and stop it, OK?

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  96. It's not that I disagree that the enrollment system failed, and that any attempts to desegregate SFUSD will be heavily fought by those who benefited from the system.

    The point to which I was referring is the more general assumption on this blog and similar sites that all parents in SFUSD participate in the lottery. They don't. Similarly, the seeming homogeneity of the commenters here tends to blind many to the reality that white stakeholders in SFUSD are a small minority and that most district families aren't middle class.

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  97. Where Caroline sends her children:

    SOTA

    -must audition to get in, the process favors white and high income children

    -24% Free or Reduced Lunch
    (District average is 55%)

    -30% White
    (District average is 10%)

    Hello, Pot?

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  98. "The point to which I was referring is the more general assumption on this blog and similar sites that all parents in SFUSD participate in the lottery. They don't."

    E Rat,

    After many years of thought on the topic, I don't think it is the responsibility of society to provide equality of result. I believe in a best effort at equality of opportunity.

    How far you go in providing equality of opportunity is an open question. It is hard to see a smart, capable child gradually fall behind because their parents cannot navigate the society in which they live.

    San Francisco goes a long way toward providing equality of opportunity. Too far in some cases.

    Who do you provide equality of opportunity for? The poorest? Should a middle income mom have to move out of the city because we're pooring all our resources into the poor.

    What about honesty? Should we provide exceptional schooling to families that we know have cheated in the school enrollment process? Should we provide schooling to out of city families who have faked their address?

    What about cohorts that ultimately are not that interested in watching their children leave home to pursue a professional education and in effect, undermine their children's education. How far do we go to provide education for such children?

    I'd like to see you answer some of these questions before looking down your nose at parents whos SFUSD educational K choice was a school condemned by the Federal Department of Education.

    Where was our equality of opportunity?

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  99. pooring ?

    whos? (instead of whose?)

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  100. Yes, it's like an even dumber version of Sarah Palin!

    Don't feed the trolls, people.

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  101. And E Rat,

    Before you ramble on about Goldman Sachs, maybe you'd better contemplate the fact that the Goldman Sachs types aren't on this blog. They haven't thought about public schools for years.

    It's the ununionized working class, engineers, medium level professionals and small business crowd that are the big losers in this economy. We're the ones that have been the most hurt by the Goldman Sachs types.

    We're the people on this blog who are pissed about not having equal access to public school.

    I thought I'd remind you of that, since you seem not to be aware of economic basics of those who work in the private sector.

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  102. 8:09-So? Lowell is 66% Asian and 30% free lunch-Are their tests to get in favoring them?

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  103. Sorry, guys. Have the kids screaming in the background. No time to grammar/spell check.

    But go ahead, dismiss what I have to say.

    You're good at that, especially since you're probably getting nervous about your pension.

    (Yeah, that thing that we don't have.)

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  104. "...the other Charter bashers"

    No other school, charter or public, generates the kind of controversy or negative reaction on this list that CACS does.

    This 100+ comment string is only the latest example. They've had the others removed.

    Maybe it's not about charters. Maybe it's about you, CACS.

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  105. Statistics for CACS:
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    Overall Greatschools rating 5/10
    Demography:
    White: 44%
    AA: 16%
    Multiple Response: 13%
    Asian: 12%
    Latino: 10%

    Statistics for Alvarado:
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    Overall Greatschools rating 7/10
    Latino: 46%
    White: 27%
    Multiple Response: 10%
    AA: 7%
    Asian: 6%


    I find it remarkable that a continuous stream of invective is leveled at CACS as being undiverse when Alvarado is less Multi racial, less Asian and less African American than CACS.

    I guess the reason is that the San Francisco Teacher's Union is on a jihad to defend their turf. That's all. Nothing to do with race or quality of education at CACS.

    That's dirty. Shame on you, Teacher's Union, for allowing these racially charged remarks to go unchecked.

    In particular, shame on you E Rat. You're clearly engaging in a turf war and are not motivated by defending what is right for disadvantaged children, contrary to the image you pretend to uphold.

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  106. to beat a dead horse...October 16, 2010 at 12:20 AM

    Alvarado is located in Noe and tends to draw Hispanic families from the Mission and white ones from Noe/Bernal. Consequently its demographics seem to reflect that of the surrounding neighborhoods. CACS's demographics skew much more white and less AA than that of the Western Addition, where it's located.

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  107. The board is NOT all white, nor are all the teachers or staff at CACS; that's just untrue. For our kids' sake, please STOP it.

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  108. 9:10

    You are probably the one making all the negative posts about CACS.

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  109. There's no point in me trying to answer your vaguely social Darwinist questions because I don't accept your assumptions. There aren't masses of parents who aren't interested in their children's education. There are plenty of parents whose interest is expressed differently than yours, of course.

    And that's just the beginning. Clearly, you are comfortable with your beliefs, as I am with mine. I see no need to continue such a pointless exchange.

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  110. 12:20 am :

    Saying something over and over again does not make it true.

    Here are the latest demographic numbers from the Western Addition. CACS actually pretty well represents the neighborhood.
    Your perception of what this area is actually like is based upon ignorance and long-outdated information. I live here. My son goes to school at CACS.

    Western Addition Demographics/2009:

    59.8% white
    17.8 African American
    16% Asian
    5.5% Latino or other/mixed


    And guess what else? Our teachers do belong to the Union.

    I've had my share of issues with things that have happened at our school over the last year, but trying to trash us with made-up stuff about not representing the neighborhood or how our teachers are not in the union is just totally WRONG and bizarre.

    And seriously, our school can only enroll people who apply; we do outreach and we are trying our best to draw in as diverse a population as possible.

    We are a tiny little school just trying to do our best in this crappy economy ... leave our school alone, please.

    ENOUGH already! Get off our gown.


    >^..^<
    Moggy

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  111. Western Addition Demographics/2009:

    59.8% white
    17.8 African American
    16% Asian
    5.5% Latino or other/mixed

    I guess we can all start calling it NOPA now.;-)

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  112. THANK YOU, Moggy. :)

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  113. 11:04 what about demographics the of school-age population in the Western Addition? I'd guess it would skew more AA and less white than that of CACS.

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  114. don't feed the troll

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  115. Moggy and others, I haven't said anything about CACS at all on this thread, or on other threads either. I am a strong critic of the charter movement overall and will readily rebut lies and hype about the "it's a miracle" KIPPs and Green Dots -- let alone the Edisons -- but I make a general point of leaving the non-chain-run currently existing local charter schools alone.

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  116. don't feed the troll

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  117. No, Caroline, but you did take a shot at the Oakland school of the arts. That's not a chain either. Before you go bashing it, I would suggest you take a tour. Maybe their test scores aren't improving but the former head of your kids school (sota) is showing how a middle school can have a very serious arts focus (one not fluff) and still have the kids at least pass. Very impressive. Wish their were something like it at the middle school level here.

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  118. I posted, without editorial comment, a link to a mainstream news story about Oakland School for the Arts. How is that taking a shot? Aren't there enough real things in life to be distressed about without inventing nonexistent slights at which to take offense?

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  119. Another Western Addition neighbor who supports Moggy here!

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  120. Isn't this kind of a low expectation to be hailing as "very impressive"?

    "a middle school can have a very serious arts focus (one not fluff) and still have the kids at least pass."

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  121. It is just so damned weird -- accusations of 'terrible' scores, 'all white' board, idaho-white classrooms, some sort of conspiracy to exclude neighborhood children despite a 100% lottery enrollment plan. None of it is true, it is all exaggerations or blatant lies (come on a tour if you don't believe it). CACS isn't even different enough from other SFUSD schools to merit this sort of scuttlebutt. I wouldn't even call it 'controversy' since I think most of the voices are sock puppets. I would call it a smear campaign.

    After all, I work with a lot of families from all over the city and hear a lot of school chatting and never hear this sort of vitriol IRL. And as a matter of fact the most common response when I say my kid goes to Creative Arts Charter is, "Never heard of it."

    What I don't understand is why someone would feel they have so much at stake, to motivate them to trash one little school with such persistence. What's in it for you? So you don't like this one school. There are several schools I really wouldn't send my kid to but they never pissed in my cornflakes so why should I trash them anonymously online with lies and exaggerations?

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  122. Reading through these comments several things occur to me:1. it's nearly impossible for people to stay on topic, a public comment malady 2. no one seems to know exactly what is going on over at CACS whether it's the teaching methods used, who's running their show, if the show will go on etc. Really CACS peeps aren't you even a little curious? 3.there are some people out there who really don't like CACS, one has to wonder why but not for long 3. EVERYONE pro and con seems to be doing a fair amount of magical thinking.
    Fascinating for a bit but ultimately tiresome.

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  123. 10:54

    You have two (3.) categories.

    We at CACS are entirely aware about what is going on at our school. Lots of things go on at lots of schools. Why not write gossip about your own school?

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  124. The anti-CACS person posting used to go there and thought it was the greatest. Then he left in a dramatic huff and all of a sudden everything about the place was horrible. A truly fickle fellow.

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  125. ^ Yeah, it's amazing how truly poisonous someone like that can be. I hope no one pisses him off at his child's new school. Bitterness is ugly.

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  126. I am NOT the person you describe. But I'm interested to know how you can identify this person. Is this blog not anonymous? Also, did the dramatic huffer right all of the negative comments threaded through here?

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  127. On second thought, I probably am the dramatic huffer – though this characterization of my family's departure is so wrong that it's hard to recognize us in the description.

    I heard about this latest CACS string from another former CACS parent (who has never been employed there, by the way.)This is the first time I've read the KFiles in many months.

    And after reading the lengthy string, I was drawn back in by the race comments in particular – because concerns around race played a part in our leaving, among others. And yes, we have lingering negative feelings about the school and our experience there.

    I am the author of the following posts in this conversation: Oct 15 11:45am, 12:40pm, 2:52pm, 9:10pm. Only these four and (“isn't this anonymous?” query just above). The remaining 122 comments belong to others.

    I am not the author of the "Caucasian Arts Charter School" post, though I believe I coined the nickname - actually during the first year we were there, in the midst of an uproar about possibly moving to the Bayview.

    In my four postings above, I did not knowingly write anything untrue. One possible inaccuracy: “all white” board. If a person(s) on the board is not white, then I've been misinformed. Maybe Moggy can provide the demographics of the board.

    And the "clique" complaint did come from a friend at the school after we left. You'll just have to take my word on that. And I made a point of relating that as a person's feeling, not a fact.

    The only thing I regret here is getting drawn back in and revisiting unpleasant experiences. (Though I feel my family's experience is as valid to share as the next person's.) Ugly comments about me may follow, but silence on my part should not be construed as reflecting anything more than my resolve to stay out, moving forward.

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  128. "I am the author of the following posts in this conversation: Oct 15 11:45am, 12:40pm, 2:52pm, 9:10pm."

    IP addresses suggest otherwise, but whatever.

    We know you hate the school, but please just take your bitterness somewhere else and leave us alone.

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  129. Sorry, can't let this IP claim go. Just plain not true. I answered the "we know who you are" comments and have nothing to hide.

    If the blog owner is willing, please look at the entire string and verify by my email address, IP address, or whatever other marker can be used.

    Now over and out -- just didn't expect outright untruth in response.

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  130. Let's not forget:

    Oct 13, 1:00 pm
    Oct 14, 10:03 am
    Oct 15, 3:26 pm
    Oct 16, 4:01 pm
    Oct 16, 8;23 pm

    Such a busy little bitter bee!

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  131. In stepping forward in this anonymous conversation, I certainly did not intend to furnish a means of dismissing other people's comments. Though that should have occurred to me, I guess.

    None of your list was written by me.

    Kate (blog owner), again please verify.

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  132. What happened to the "silence on his part"? That was short-lived.

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  133. Kate doesn't have the time to go through all the posts, nor should she bother to do so. It doesn't really matter who wrote what, does it?

    I would like to ask people to not use this forum to disparage a school that our kids go to. You left the school and pulled your kids out, we understand, but please think about how what you write effects our kids who are still there.

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  134. can we move on now??October 17, 2010 at 2:59 PM

    Moggy, it's actually quite likely that other people besides you and John have things to say about CACS. In any event, it's clear that "Kate" needs to add some more content as this particular thread has exhausted all useful insights on a possible C5 charter school long ago

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  135. By the way, John, there is currently an AA member of the Board and there was previously a Hispanic member, and Asian members of the BoD, since you asked. Our current assistant director is Hispanic and there are plenty of teachers of color and various sexual orientations.

    As a former CACS Board member, shame on you.

    -A former fan of yours

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  136. Sorry, 1:03pm (broken silence) and Moggy (fair enough posting re moving on), but the personalizing attacks from CACS folks are hard to take. And I can't figure out how to take this off-line. Future posters, please contact me at bensdad415 @yahoo.com to spare "kate" and readers.

    Ok, former fan, I see your shame and I raise it.

    One current AA member of an otherwise white board -- that's what you're saying, despite all the citations of former members, right?

    I continually voiced concerns about the make-up of the board while at CACS and echoed concerns raised by BoE members Hydra Mendoza and Sandra Fewer at the time of the last charter renewal.

    Despite what other posters might say about the WA resembling NOPA demographically, the message to kids of color, like my own, remains the same.

    Finally, I challenge all of the other folks responding to me to identify themselves, as I have.

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  137. 8:23-- no, you are wrong. That's pretty high expectations. Kids at Oakland school of the arts just don't do one or two periods of arts a week, they are doing up to2 hours a day of training. So that means the dancers do two hours of dance a day! Pretty intense. When you have a program like that that is developing future artists, it is only natural that the kids are not going to get drilled for the standardized tests. That's the import of the article Caroline posted on here and then pretended it was not a criticism. I think that's disingenuous on her part, but the more valid point is: who cares? It is amazing that Oakland has a middle school that offers such intense arts based training, and the standardized tests be damned! The bigger question is why sf does not have such a middle school with an intense arts focus. Sota does it at high school, but there's nothing at middle school. That's where cacs disappoints and sheer there's a real need with no one fulfilling it!

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  138. Many schools have white dominated PTAs and schools site councils. It is par for the course. Why single out CACS?

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  139. Who the heck is Moggy anyway? I don't see any post from "Moggy".

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  140. Shooting the messenger. Someone brought up OSA; there had just been a major news story on OSA in the previous 24 hours; I posted the link with no editorial comment, and then am accused of bashing it. Your issue is with the Sacramento Bee article, not with me. Am I only supposed to post puff pieces?

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  141. Okay John, you raised and I call.

    Shame on you for trotting out your kid as receiving some sort of veiled 'message' from the CACS board or anyone else that he is unwelcome at CACS based on race. Kids don't get messages from the board -- kids are oblivious to the board. Kids are in school, and learning and thriving. You are talking about parental drama.

    And shame on you for the nitpicking about the board demographics -- it
    It is insulting and pointless (a friend of mine on the board is a Turkish Muslim, does that score a extra credit? Another is biracial, does that score a half point? Do you want to factor in if any people of color ran for the board and lost?)

    I find it disingenuous of you to cry foul about personal attacks after your campaign of mudslinging.

    Demographics of boards and PTO/PTAs are tricky things for everybody. My kid went to Sutro for a while and that school struggled for years trying to get more Chinese parents involved with the PTA, even though the Chinese were the strong majority at the school -- the PTA was pretty effing white. Is anybody condemning Sutro for sending a message of rejection and alienation to their majority population?

    You are targeting one school because you have an axe to grind and it is ugly and unproductive. Please knock it off.

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  142. Should a PPS Board Member (John Perry)
    conduct himself in this manner? John Perry is doing all he can to make one particular San Francisco Public School look bad. Creative Arts is a Public School, it's a public Charter School.

    He should resign from the PPS Board.
    Write to PPS and tell them so.

    http://www.ppssf.org/About_us/staff_board.html

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  143. Not one thing John said concerning CACS is untrue. He's doing an excellent job at PPS. Shame on the person who would suggest anonymously otherwise. As for making CACS " "look bad"I think you're all doing just fine without John's help. It's time to focus on the real issues and and stop finger pointing.

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  144. sick of hearing about cacsOctober 18, 2010 at 10:07 AM

    Get off John Perry's case. All he did was call attention to the lack of diversity in CACS and on its board, both valid points. Personally I would be happy if the CACS folks took there squabbles offline.

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  145. Is this parent divisiveness typical of charter schools? Does the parent board on a charter have the power to hire/fire the director? Do the parents have so much power that the various factions can destabilize a school? I ask this because I was thinking of applying to a different charter school and was wondering if this is a general characteristic of charters or is this unique to CAC?

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  146. 3:48 is just another troll trying to add to the "divisiveness"

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  147. "Get off John Perry's case. All he did was call attention to the lack of diversity in CACS and on its board, both valid points."

    Ya, right.

    You should be glad people are stepping up to be leaders instead of your turning volunteerism into another stupid diversity derby. I can't believe what a bunch of fucking idiots populate this blog.

    Though whites make up just 10% of the public school population, they dominate PTAs and SSCs in general. If they were to go away who would take their place?

    If you are nonwhite person that is complaining about lack of diversity go out and enlist minority volunteers. Have fun.

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  148. No I am not a troll. I am seriously interested in the structure of charter schools. I think possibly the structure may be the cause of the problems.

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  149. What do you mean - the structure of charter schools? Charter schools have a great deal more freedom regarding structure than traditional schools.

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  150. That may be the problem. I hae never heard of anything negative about the school except for the animosity between the parents. I recall that the director/principal was dismissed by the board (who were parents) and that other parents were up in arms and wanted to vote out that board. Families are leaving because of the parent community, not because the instruction or the other kids. There may be more freedom with the structure, but that may be an element of all of the negativity that seems to surround the parents community.Dare I say that the parents have too much of a voice in the administrtive matter? If it was a cooperative community of parents, it could work wonderfully. However, that does not seem to be the case in this venue.

    Are other charters, such of Gateway, experiencing something similar?

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  151. 8:23
    Are you calling for all white women who fundraise for public schools to go on strike for 6 months to see what would happen?

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  152. 6:01 has a good point, and I have no horse in this race (not going charter). I was in Chicago when the parents took over the school board in the 1990s. The results have not been impressive.

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  153. 6:01-
    I'm a parent at the school and all I can say is that things have really calmed down this year in terms of the parental drama-- which is a huge relief to many of us who were not directly involved. For better or worse, there have been many very passionate folks at our school. Participation in the drama is, of course, optional.

    None of this takes away from the fact that we are ALL very committed to our arts program, our fantastic teachers and making our middle school stronger. Now that our location seems to be stable, I'm hopeful that folks will at least feel a little more secure and that we can blossom.
    I really believe in this school and our community!

    I don't know much about how Gateway runs things, but would love to hear an insider's perspective.

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  154. Glad things have calmed down and moving forward at CACS. Good new indeed. Thanks for the update.

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  155. Calmed down, maybe. Moving forward? We'll see.

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  156. Anonymous at 10/15, 12:40 said:

    "all white middle-class board"

    um, Not so.

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  157. I wanted to add that while the make up of the CACS board is majority white (but not exclusively white), we also have white parents of children of color, lgbt parents, and at least a couple working class parents on the board.

    As others have pointed out, there are a lot of factors that lead to disproportionately white leadership on boards, PTA's, etc., and it's not unique to CACS.

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