Sunday, August 15, 2010

3-day count

This is a thread where parents going through the 3-day count can ask questions...vent...

We're all pulling for you and hope everyone gets into a school this coming week! Hang in there!

50 comments:

  1. OK - Dumb question:

    If the official line is that spots open up to the waitpool after 3 days, is there also a "5 day count," and/or a "10 day count"?

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  2. Last year the district continued to move around students well beyond the 10-day count. Families were getting calls weeks, even months, after school started with news of spots open at their wait pools. Will the district be doing this again? Or does everything stop after the 10-day count?

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  3. Still 0/14. I have two questions for the seasoned parents:

    1. Should I go to EPC everyday? I've heard this can help.

    2. Should we be talking to principals/administrators at our waitpool school? Everyone claims those days are over, but I just don't belive anything anymore.

    I'm at work thinking I might get a phone call, worried I'm not doing enough. And my child is still waiting to find out where he is going to kindergarten....

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  4. 9:42

    I need answers, too.

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  5. In my experience the principals and school staff really have no control over assignment. You might be able to get some information from them about how many folks haven't shown up, but that's of limited use. Also, the schools are extra busy during the first week or so getting kids and teachers settled. If you are going to go into the school office, I recommend avoiding the middle and end of the school day.

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  6. 1. Should I go to EPC everyday?

    Everyone I know who went down to the EPC wound up with something they could live with if they didn't already have a placement.

    2. Should we be talking to principals/administrators at our waitpool school?

    The secretaries if you sweet talk them might be willing to give out some information about who has spots available.

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  7. 9:10 pm - Re: movement weeks after school started. This is for non-district kids. If your kid is enrolled in an SFUSD school they lock down transfers at a certain point (this year, they are saying 8/31). If spots open after that, kids on the waiting list will get a call, but only IF they are NOT enrolled in SFUSD. Doesn't seem fair but that's how it works.

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  8. 8:51 pm - The 3 day count means that the school will give the seat away after 3 days. In the past they waited 5 or even 10 days b/f giving a seat away. This year if the kid does not show up (and the school can't get in touch with the parents) then the seat will be given to a waitpool kid on Thurs. 8/19.

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  9. RE: 1. Should I go to EPC everyday? I've heard this can help.

    I think this can help you snag an open spot at an okay school that doesn't have a waitpool. I don't think this will help you move ahead of others on your waitpool or anything like that.

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  10. If anyone happens to be reading this that DOES have a school for their K child, let us know if you know of children in their class that didn't show up today.

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  11. I went to our waitpool school last week and asked if there was anything I could do at the school to help us get one of the spaces in the 3-day count. The office manager said nope. Even the fac/staff who has friends on the list can't do anything about it. She said the school sites just wait for the EPC too. That's not what I've heard from parents who claim that if you pester the front desk staff at the school you want, that's how you get in. Even last year a friend of a friend did it that way, literally standing there everyday in the school she wanted until the front desk person called the EPC and asked/told them that this person's kid would be taking the next open spot. What to make of those stories? I don't know.

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  12. It looked liked Glen Park's kinder classes will have some spaces available. If you live close by, it's definitely a school to consider. We have amazing kindergarten teachers. If anyone would like to talk to me about it, please feel free to page me here.

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  13. I suppose you could pester the office staff - but I wouldn't. Our secretary certainly wouldn't do you any favors that way - although she might smile and pretend she's helping you - and is that really the first impression you want to make at school you'll be attending for 6 years?
    I think you are better off going through EPC.

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  14. What to think of those stories, probably the kids name came up on the waitlist and they got the spot. The parent would like to belive it's b/c they were the squeaky wheel and pat themselves on the back for being such a good and advocate for their child, but really the kid would have gotten the spot if the parent was at home doing nothing. That's what I think.

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  15. Glenn Park had 7 kids on the waitpool on Aug. 6. Once those kids get placed, then you can snag a spot if one is left. Remember you can't change your waitpool anymore so even the 0/7's would get a spot after the Late's.

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  16. Last year I tried going to our WP school Friday of the first week - the secretary wouldn't give me any info, said I had to go through the EPC. I wasn't asking her for a spot - just wanted to know their K headcount so far, whether there were no-shows that might result in WP movement. She wouldn't budge.

    Went to the EPC the same day, the counselor went in back, said they were just pulling WP names, came back a few minutes later & said my son's name was one of the ones pulled. Was it because I was sitting there? Dunno. Maybe I would have gotten the call that afternoon anyway. Never been so excited in my life!

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  17. I'm pretty sure there will be spots available at Junipero Serra. looks like there might be 10 kids from the J.Serra list attending.

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  18. I asked for the advice about EPC and going to the schools - thank you all so much for the advice. It sounds like going to EPC is the way to go. I love being able to draw on your collective knowledge - thank you!

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  19. I know there is an open spot at McKinley for kinder. We decided to send our child to an indy. I called in APRIL to release the spot but apparently that never happened. Got a call today informing me that my child was absent. I've called the school and EPC to, once again, say we won't be enrolling. I feel terrible that some kid missed out on the first day of kindergarten because of an admin error. But hopefully some family will be very happy to get the spot.

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  20. If anyone had any advice or information about first grade please post too! I know the 3-day count is the place to be.
    Only 3 kids in our wait pool for a 66-spot first grade class.

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  21. McKinly had 10 people in the waitpool on Aug. 6. Someone will be happy!

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  22. Jose Ortega will most likely have spots open in its general education program (not the Mandarin Immersion). Any teacher will tell you that this is one of the best schools in the district as the teachers work beautifully together and the principal is a strong leader who knows how to keep her staff and the parents in line while making sure all the children get the attention they need. It's a small and cozy school with only about 250 kids, and it sits on a hill that overlooks the ocean. Lovely spot. And they're trying to put together an after-school Mandarin program for those general education parents who want some language exposure. Plus, it's easy to get to, right off the 280.

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  23. From everything I've heard the principal and school staff have absolutely no pull.

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  24. i am on a waitlist and am waiting patiently. from my experience in the last couple of months. EPC won't do anything for you until they are offically allowed to. I called them this morning, and I actually got a call back! she actually left me a message saying that my son is on the waitlist and if a spot opens up, they will be calling us by Friday at the earliest to let us know. I've contacted to school as well, but they're firm answer is, "that's a question for EPC." I have a friend at the school telling me that there are spots available, it's a little frustrating that they can't just pass those spots on as they know about them. but we will just be patient and wait.

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  25. Re: the effectiveness of pestering school or epc staff, a friend was convinced that her pestering of EPC officials every day by phone and email paid off when her child got a call from the school where she was wait-pooled. Turns out, all 17 kids in that wait pool got in. I don't think she knew this until much much later, as I don't think EPC publishes the results until the following year (?) Although the process is opaque, it seems pretty straightforward.

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  26. 2:08 pm: Do you mean by 10 kids on the waitlist? Who would be happy?

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  27. We did not send in our registration for Yick Wo as we decided on another school. We thought this would mean his spot was released, but got a call today seeing if he was going to be attending.
    I hope this brings good news for another family. It's a great school and we had a tough decision.
    Boy spot for kindergarten at Yick Wo.
    Best of luck to you all.

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  28. Thanks for posting about this, 4:47. Yick Wo is a great school option and there will be a happy family that gets your spot.

    Just a clarification: In SFUSD, there are no boy and girl spots. The waitpool spot could go to either a boy or a girl.

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  29. 5 kids were on the Yick Woo wait list on Aug 6th. Your spot will make one of them happy. Thanks for posting.

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  30. 3:22, what school is it? That your friend says there are spots at? Just wondering if it's our WP school?

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  31. I will add that we also had unregistered for Yick Wo months ago at EPC but were still on the registeration list as of last week. I called the school to make sure they knew my child was not coming last week. So, that should be 2 spots at Yick Wo.

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  32. I think it stinks that some kid missed out on the first day but I must say I have heard this a few times, which means they have erred on the side of assuming children are going to attending a school, not canceling more spots than need be...

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  33. We are 0 for [what is the # now?] and we were told over and over by EPC that the wait pool would be dissolved at the end of August, and after that time, it's basically open enrollment at schools where kids might drop out after that time *if your child is NOT already enrolled at SFUSD school*. if the child IS enrolled at an SFUSD school, then there is not transfer to another SFUSD school allowed.

    So are strategy was if we don't get our waitpool school, to *not* register at all, and then try to get into a school after the waitpool dissolved near the end of August.

    I called EPC today to check on my waitpool status, and was told by EPC that the waitpool is actually in effect until the end of SEPTEMBER. This changes our entire situation. I have been down to EPC probably 6 or 7x and always have been told that waitpool is dissolved in August.

    Does anyone know the real answer about when the waitpool dissolves?

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  34. My understanding from someone who called me from EPC today is that there is another round of waitpool this coming Friday August 20, once the 3 day count is done -- figuring out who is no-show and who will be dropped from each K class. Anyone else have that same impression?

    Is there any place on the EPC website that actually has the RULES of the way things are done, since it seems we're all mostly going on rumors from SF K files, or inaccurate information from EPC staff.

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  35. 7:51

    I can confirm that EPC has been saying that the waitpools will dissolve at the end of August for some time. I have been a given sheet indicating as much the last three times I visited EPC.

    If they have changed the dissolution date to the end of September, that decision must have been made in the past week. It would certainly change things for many of us, so I am hopeful that someone else can confirm whether or not this is true.

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  36. After going 0/15, I have to say that I am glad the current system is going because it looks like a number of people waiting could have sent their kid to the first day of kindergarten but the system is sooo messed up that EPC could not manage to process the families that did not registered or de-registered. I hope no one has to go through this ever again.

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  37. Bay Area become less hospitable for working moms:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ontheblock/detail?entry_id=70193

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  38. I don't mean to contribute to the confusion but I sat with a counselor last week and he specifically said that after the 20th (next Friday), the waitpools dissolve for good. Notifications will be complete by the following Monday or Tuesday.

    At that point, if you're enrolled within SFUSD, you are stuck at a school unless you can prove a change of residence. If you're not enrolled, you can check back with them as often as you like for openings throughout the year. If there happens to be an opening when you contact them, you can claim it. There are no waitpools in effect for anyone after the 20th. They won't contact anyone after this date regardless of what happens throughout the year.

    Despite this guy telling me this information to my face, I 100% believe that all the contrary information posted by others on this blog also came directly from the EPC. The way I see it, if an institution can't clearly publish their process, they simply don't have one and their representatives are enabled to interpret the details as they may.

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  39. what does this mean?:

    "if you're enrolled within SFUSD, you are stuck at a school unless you can prove a change of residence".

    does this mean if you are enrolled in an assigned school that you did not want? i don't understand. my husband enrolled thinking we may just need to go there but decided we just couldn't do it. does this mean we are enrolled in that school and after the wait pool dissolves we cannot try and get into a school that might have an opening after the wait pool dissolves?

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  40. I was told to my face twice that the waitpool dissolves august 31st. If you are not in a waitpool, you can only transfer through the 19th (if you don't like your school and there is a spot open). If you are in a waitpool you can transfer through the end of august.

    Also, a friend called the EPC to say that they were not taking their spot at Sherman and were told that the EPC would not act on that information and to just "not show up". They were not going to call the next family on the waitpool list to offer them the spot before the start of school.

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  41. If you don't show up in the first three days, you are no longer enrolled at that school. But if it is a school with a waitlist, try calling it to release your spot. They may call a waitpool family earlier if they have a confirmed no show.

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  42. So according to what several people here have heard from EPC, the waitpool dissolves either on August 20, the end of August, or the end of September. Nice.

    I did find a reference on the SFUSD website that says the waitpool dissolves at the "end of August"

    http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/default.cfm?page=policy.placement.waiting_pools

    Whether or not that is true, I can not confirm, and "end of august" could mean August 20 I suppose, or as late as August 31. Or the rule could be out-dated and counselors are providing different info.

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  43. Looking for a 1st grade spot? I noticed yesterday that there are at least 2 kids who will be no-shows at Grattan for the first grade after the 3-day count - they moved away at the end of last year. There's only 1 person on the 8/6 waitlist so that likely leaves at least one open space at a great school if anyone's interested. Good luck!

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  44. I really think that the EPC continues to try to place students from a waitpool as long as there are open spots available. So if there is a spot at a school with a waitpool, they will call people from the waitpool until the spot is filled or everyone in the pool declines it. (And people do decline waitpool spots all the time.) At that point, the waitpool is dissolved, meaning that if a NEW spot opens up EPC will not call anyone from the pool to fill it and the spot will be available in open enrollment for those not registered anywhere else. Since all open spots will be confirmed after three days this year, there will be time for the EPC to fill any open spots from the waitpool before it is dissolved.

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  45. Has anyone had any luck finding out if there are spots when calling the office of your waitpool school??

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  46. 10:49 -- Mum's the word at our WP school.

    The best strategy is to know someone (parent or teacher) at the school. The school secretaries are so slammed at this time of year too.

    Gonna be a long couple of weeks! The inevitable shuffling when one student gets into one school, then his/her spot opens and another student gets that spot, and so on, could take a while after August 20! I can imagine there is some telephone tag played too.

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  47. Has anyone received a call yesterday or today????

    I know last year, my friend got a call from EPC on Monday or Tuesday afternoon.

    My friend said there were many no-shows at her school yesterday and the school was supposedly calling up the families to see if they were coming or not.

    I see on the blog that the no shows families are being called, but I'm wondering if EPC is really waiting until the end of the week to release the spots.

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  48. What school did your friend see no shows? Why doesn't anybody name the schools? It's all anonymous. Please tell me which school. I need some good news

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  49. I think Rosa Parks JBBP has one K space.

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  50. My son said they had a new student at Sunnyside K on the second day. Not sure if someone got a call from the WP or just missed the first day.

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