Monday, August 23, 2010

The 3-day count continues

Please use this thread to advertise schools where there might be open spaces, to share news about getting into schools, and to ask questions about the wait pool process. Thanks!

409 comments:

  1. I transferred my child after the 3-day count last year. She loved the parochial school she started a week earlier. She cried and wailed and had a total meltdown at the new school when we registered her. I almost had a meltdown with her, second guessing myself. Am I doing the right thing switching schools? It breaks a mother's heart to hear her child so distraught.

    The next day, she was excited, scared, but calm and went into her new class...no looking back. I stood outside her classroom holding back tears. It turned into tears of relief when I saw her (through the window) raise her hand to volunteer for something, smiling and happy.

    All kids are different and some are better with change than others. But most kids are very resilient.

    For us, after an agonizing wait through the summer and painful (albeit short) transition, we made it.

    My heart goes out to all the families still waiting. I truly hope that all of you find a school that works for your family...and peace of mind.

    Good Luck!

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  2. I really thought we'd be hearing about more people getting a call by now. If a kid was a no show, EPC calls, parent says kid is not coming. EPC doesn't have to wait the 3 days, they would start calling kids from the waitpool. But no one has posted here that they have gotten a call since school started. Maybe EPC is waiting unitl Friday to let the computer pick. I agree with posters yesterday. I think there is a list a person is working thru at this point and they are not running the ridiculous alogrithm to fill the waitpool (even though they say they are).

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  3. We are still waiting. This whole process has put me on edge. I am at work and can barely focus. Now I am just thinking that some families on the wait list have received calls, and we have once again been shafted. I truly doubt a computer is doing the pick. At this point I have a feeling there's an actual person doing the picks. How they pick, I have no clue. It's quite mind-boggling, this whole process.

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  4. I heard (rumor) that if there was a clear no-shows confirmed, and there was no "competition" within the waitlist co-horts, that EPC does not necessarily wait for the 3-day count.

    For example, if there was 1 approved hardship appeal or 1 sibling, they don't have to run an algorithym. They know that the open spot belongs to that next person, so that parent may get a call on Monday or Tuesday. But if there are 3 no-shows and the next waitlist co-hort group has 10 0/7 families, then EPC waits to run their algorithm/computer on Thursday to determine which of the 10 families are picked for the 3 spots available.

    I don't know if that's true...but it makes sense to me.

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  5. Schools release the spots today (at least I know our school did anyway)

    I don't know how long it takes EPC to begin to make calls but last year we got our call on Weds afternoon and started Thurs although if some schools release late then it may be Thurs before calls are made

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  6. Is there anyone on this list from rooftop, miraloma, alvarado, buena vista??

    I have 0/7 friends on all these waitlists and I am dying to know if there were no-shows this week.

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  7. Hi from Alvarado GE; at least one child in our child's class (Ms. Z Kindergarten) has not yet shown up. There might be others (sorry, spouse did dropoff and didn't count). I noticed this one because we know the family from preschool and would not be terribly surprised if they made other plans and forgot to tell SFUSD.

    Have hope! Sending you good vibes and sympathies, as we ourselves were 0/7 and were lucky enough to get in off the waitpool.

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  8. I know! Let's talk about language programs! (I kid, I kid.)

    This whole process takes up so much energy for everyone. I imagine the principals at "borderline," "up-an-comer" and "hidden gem" schools are frustrated too. One kid from Rooftop doesn't show, so a kid from Grattan takes the spot, and a kid from, say McKinley or Sunnyside or Glen Park goes and that "lower" school doesn't fill it's kindergarten spots, so gets less money and can't "climb the hill" to improve. Brutal.

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  9. I have a good friend who works at EPC. He swears that the computer is still making the assignments whenever there are less spots than the amount of families in the next-in-line cohort. So if school "A" has 3 spots and there is 1 sibling and 8 0/7 families, the the sibiling will get a call right away and they will run the algorithm to see which 0/7 families get the 2 remaining spots.

    That will apparently take a while, because they need to hear from the schools to determine how many spots are available (which is happening this afternoon). After they hear from the schools there's a process for checking the lists that they go through. Only then will they start calling families.

    I expect calls to start tomorrow for spots that can be filled without the algorithm. After that, they will probably be making calls from this Friday through next week.

    Hope this helps.

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  10. I really believe there is hope. We gave up our spot at Peabody in May, but despite our repeated calls and faxes to the EPC all summer long letting them know that we were withdrawing our daughter's enrollment, we still got a letter from the school assigning her to a kindergarten room (No. 2 of two). This came after the last (again, of repeated) calls to the EPC where my very nice and otherwise calm husband was yelling into the answering machine. He finally got a call back telling us to fax in the info., which we had already done. He did that again, but obviously EPC did not pay attention.

    As frustrating as this is (and I know other families who gave up spots with similar stories...it's not that they didn't let EPC know, it's that EPC does not have their act together), it should give people hope that there will be movement after the 3-day count.

    Good luck everyone!

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  11. i believe there are a few no shows at mckinley too.

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  12. Thank you for the hope and for the inside scoop with a friend at EPC. We are in a waitpool with others so won't even look for a call until Friday at the earliest. We are below the 0/7 co-hort, so really we won't expect a call until next week if at all.

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  13. Having to wait the three days is definitely fueling my anxiety. I had some hope until last week when many people got calls (before the purported waitpool run on Friday), and suspicious activity since then. How did the Alvarado GE 0/7 waitpool go from 9 on Friday to 6 on Tuesday if they are waiting for the three day count? I feel EPC is cherry picking the people they want and not following their published process. Add to that the rumors that popular schools are checking in close to full and we're getting freaked. This has been total torture, and must be decreasing the productivity of San Francisco by millions (think of how much work time we're all spending on this BULLSHIT!).

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  14. 1:44 - where did you get the information on the 6 people in the Alvarado waitlist?

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  15. I'm completely blowing off work and checking this blog like a maniac just to see if anybody is getting calls. I'm trying not to be jealous and really trying not to hate people that got their first choice school in the lottery in March. I just keep thinking back to the afternoon I opened that letter and how much different my life would have been over the past few months if it had just said something else!

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  16. 2:22
    We are on the same boat as you. We at least thought we'd get 1 out of the 7 schools we put down. When I read the stats on the SFUSD website, I thought to myself, we have to be the 80% that will get at least one of our choices.
    I remember people telling me what I should write on the application. Make sure I state that my child was mixed all over the application, etc. I guess we didn't go to the extreme. Now we think back and say to each other, what could we have put down that would have gotten us into at least one of the schools?
    I am like you 2:22, I'm checking this blog every few minutes because it makes me feel ok that we are not the only family going through this torturous process. Words can't even explain how angry I am. The thing that makes me really upset is, we found out early on that one of our neighbor's child got accepted. She said to us when the first rounds of letter came in "did you get your first choice (they had the same 1st choice as us)? we said no and she said "oh we got ours, but we're not sure yet. we are kind of thinking about private school too". Thanks for making us feel like crap. We don't get any schools and she's telling us she got her first choice and doesn't know what she's going to do yet. We cannot even afford the thought of going private. UGH!!!

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  17. 1:44

    Some of the bigger waitpools go down at the last minute because people chicken out and switch to a smaller waitpool. That's what we did - we stuck it out in CIS' waitpool all summer, and on the very last day we switched to Starr King's (just too much risk of not being one of the lucky few since CIS' waitpool didn't go down enough).

    We turned in our waitpool change Friday afternoon (the last day you were allowed to) and the request wasn't processed until yesterday. We've been going in to EPC every day to make sure that our waitpool change was processed, so I know that as of Monday we were still in the CIS waitpool and only this morning did it start showing us as (the only) 0/7 family in the Starr King wait pool.

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  18. My child's class has three no-shows. (Kindergarten at New Traditions). Hopefully this will help the people on the K wait pool for New Traditions.

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  19. i hear ya, my neighbor put our neighborhood GE school 2nd and got it. we put it first and of course didn't get it. she went on and on about how even though it wasn't their first choice they would settle for their second choice. and how they were so happy, etc. rank choice was supposed to break a tie for the same diversity cohorts which we were (attendance area, english speakers, non-poor, with preschool). but who cares at this point. everybody knows that stupid lotto didn't work the way EPC said it did. now not only are welucky enough to be the last K class to get screwed by the lotto, I'm going to have to follow this new process for 1st G next year! So annoying.

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  20. So let's say we wait until next Friday and we still haven't received a call, should we just assume that they have exhausted the wait pool and we are definitely not going to receive a call after that? And then by that time, if there are 3 spots open at let's just say New Traditions, can we then go to EPC and let them know we want to enroll our child there? This is all so confusing. I think this process is set up so it confuses us and we get frustrated and we leave the city all together.

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  21. New Traditions had 3 in the WP on Aug. 6. That means that later this week you might even be able to snag a spot there in open enrollment and stay in your dream waitpool until end of Aug.

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  22. 3:21, you need to go to EPC 8/27 or 8/30 if you have not yet received a call. Ask them if they are done making assignements and if the waitpools are dissolved. If they say no, then keep waiting. If they say yes, then ask what schools have available spots. You can choose any that are open. Good luck. Hopefully it won't come to that.

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  23. If I call EPC right now will they tell me how many are in my WP?

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  24. Thanks for the advice and dates of when we can go to EPC. I feel like I'm going crazy. My husband also thinks I'm going to get an ulcer over this.
    I just feel so bad for my daughter. When all her friends from her CDC got accepted, she asked me why she's not with them and why she's going to a different school. It breaks my heart to hear her say these things.

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  25. 3:34pm

    Yes, you can can EPC to find out how many our in your waitpool. We found out by making a visit today.

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  26. I just called them and they answered! And they said that my waitpool has gone down by 4 kids since Aug. 6! She also said that they have not called anybody yet, yes that's what she said. That the calls start tomorrow. They are not giving spots to anybody yet, even if they were the only kid in the waitpool cohort. She thinks they did that last year, but said they are not doing it this year. She said the calls might not start first thing in the morning but sometime tomorrow. And she said the process would continue thru Aug. 30. She said the schools were telling EPC today and some will tell them tomorrow what seats are available. I don't know how the waitpool went down by 4 kids, unless they got placed in that lotto run right b/f school started or maybe they changed their waitpool after the 8/6 numbers came out (like the CIS to Starr King poster did). Either way, I'm happy. Fingers crossed.

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  27. 3:43pm

    THANK YOU! VERY ENCOURAGING INFORMATION!

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  28. Thanks 3:43 - What school????

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  29. When do catholic schools start? 8/30? Or 9/7. THX

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  30. We are waiting for a first grade spot. The suspense is very anxiety provoking. We are OK where we are but know our WP school is a much better fit.

    I have been trying to figure out both what to say to my kid if we change schools (we are keeping it a secret) and how to handle my disappointment if we don't.

    We just need two spots in our WP school to get in! So close! So far!

    Hang in there everyone!

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  31. St. Cecilia school starts August 25

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  32. You must have gotten a nicer woman on the phone because the woman I spoke to just told me that she couldn't give me any information. She basically repeated the list that I'm seeing on the website. She did say the will start calling families tomorrow and wait pool dissolves August 30th and that after that time, we can enroll at a school that has openings.

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  33. Seems weird that you would have to wait until after August 30 to enroll in a school with openings and no waitlist.

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  34. I hate to bear bad news, but I don't think you can just change to any school that has an opening. If your child is enrolled at a school and you have started going there, you can only be moved to your wait pool school. Once the waiting pools are dissolved (around the end of this month), you'll only be able to transfer to another school unless you have a change of address). People from outside the district (people who just moved to the city or families that are currently in private) can take any spot that's open.

    From page 39 of the SFUSD enrollment Guide:

    "After the August waiting pool run, the waiting pool process will be considered finished and the waiting pools will be dissolved. For the remainder of the school year, no transfers within SFUSD schools will be allowed except for cases
    of change of address, disciplinary action or safety concerns."

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/EPC/Enrollment_Guide_English.pdf

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  35. Better link to the enrollment guide:

    http://bit.ly/bSQLCb

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  36. I just called the EPC.
    CIS has 8 kids on the 0/7

    people, that is called info.

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  37. A spot opened up in my daughter's 2nd grade class at Yick Wo. A girl moved.

    FYI.

    It's a terrific school, and our CST test scores just shot way up. We're ranked 9 on the Great Schools list, and it's pretty evenly apportioned, diversity-wise. Looks like San Francisco.

    We outpace Lilienthal and Rooftop in so many areas, but we are small and intimate. We are in a wonderful neighborhood on Russian Hill. The teachers are just amazing. (If we were over on the other side of town, there'd be 39 people on our waitlist too.)

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  38. http://www.greatschools.org/cgi-bin/cs_compare/ca/?level=e&area=d&district=717&sortby=stars_newrating&tab=over&begin=0&showall=1

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  39. Yes it is also extremely unfair to our children to come into a class late. I spoke to a really nice K teacher at grattan and she said "I'm not going to lie to you; it is difficult for late comers," however she said she really pays extra attn to them and does hand holding as necessary. I am trying to keep my daughter from knowing school has already begun and don't want her to have any contact with her pals who have already started. I know it will upset her greatly. My husband is going to attend the school board meeting tonight. I think Supe Garcia and Gavin need to read all this.

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  40. I think most of the Catholic schools start next week on the 2th or 26th.

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  41. People, you can do open enrollment in a school that has no waitpoolers at any time!--and you can do this without jeopardizing your waitpool spot. If you are truly without backup, this may be the thing to do, although it would mean starting and then re-starting your child if your waitpool spot comes through before the end of the month.

    Take a look at the most recent WP list. It may have changed since, as some people dropped out. There are some schools listed that have 0 or very few people on the list. Spring Valley, Harvey Milk, Redding, Sheridan, Montessori, Parker, Parks, Lau .... and more. No guarantees there are open enrollment spots, but you can ask. These are not bad schools. They are an option for kinder. You do not jeopardize your waitpool spot by taking them. They are better than nothing. I realize those with parochial or private or home school or transitional K options would not do this, but those of you who really need something might think about it.

    Good luck to all of you. Been there, I know it is very stressful.

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  42. What a difference it makes who you get at EPC. When I called today they said there is no change in any waitpools and that they would run the lottery Thurs and make calls starting Friday. Do they even talk to each other over there?

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  43. So it is my understanding after reading comments and after my husband personally went down to the EPC, that no one received a call today from the EPC in regards to their waitpool request.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong!

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  44. If a family went through the process, did not like the result, and then opted to enroll at a private school, for a period of at least a year, that family should either (a) be treated like those of us that enrolled at a school not of our choice or (b) pay an application processing fee equal to 50% of their private school's yearly tuition with said funds used to buy drinks for the rest of us.

    If there were ever a clear of example of the haves being able to game the system at the expense of the have nots, that's it.

    Really, how hard would it be to comply with the law by basically saying safety transfers have first priority and everyone else is together in one big pool?

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  45. I can happily report that the kindergarten class at J. Serra is working out exceptionally well. Given the summer a ton of us 0/7s went through together, a vibrant community of parents that now know has formed and the kids are truly a sight to behold. I would highly recommend that folks looking for a spot take a look at the playground on Appleton between 8:20 a.m. and 2:40 p.m. to see if they might think their child could enjoy being a part of it. J Serra is not open-enrollment eligible officially but I do believe there are going to be at least a few spots open given a few empty seats that I've counted each day I've dropped off my kid. Just food for thought for anybody in the Noe/Mission/Bernal/GP corridor.

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  46. Ok. I am waiting for third grade and just heard that they have an opening at Bryant. Just how bad is that school-- does anyone think it is turning around?

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  47. Regarding Bryant - I don't think that the people on this blog would consider Bryant as in a turnaround mode, like J. Serra is right now or Sunnyside/Glen Park in years past.

    I do know that the school serves a high population of english language learners.

    That's really all I know about it. I know that Bryant has low test scores and I don't know the reasons. I would guess that part of the reason for low test scores is because they serve such a high percentage of ELL and low income students.

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  48. 8:33, do you have a school in SF now for your incoming third grader? Or are you moving in from out of town?

    Looking on the WP list, there are schools with 0 waitpoolers besides Bryant. As the previous poster suggests, Bryant is a very challenged school. I realize that 0 in the WP doesn't always mean there is a spot, but usually there are a few kids in each class who don't return. In the Mission, I would ask about Moscone. If you can travel outside the Mission, I'm seeing Sunnside, Ortega, New Traditions, Lafayette, Grattan, Francis Scott Key, Argonne, Alamo, Feinstein .... and many other schools have small waitpools.

    Really, really worth asking about spots at any of the above before taking Bryant. Third grade is a HUGE year in terms of introduction of content. I'm very much in favor of diverse schools and I have sent my children to them. But Bryant lacks a critical mass of kids who are not struggling.

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  49. I would also add that Grattan does not have anyone in its waitpool for 3rd grade. This is considered by many as a highly desirable school. If it works for your location, you should inquire with EPC.

    Good luck and please let us know.
    We have our fingers crossed for you!!

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  50. Rosa Parks is an excellent option for third grade too, and there could very well be spots open. A student can enter the Japanese language program there at any grade and the staff will work with the student to catch them up.

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  51. Go ahead and check again with EPC tomorrow. I think they are going to tell you that "open enrollment" ended today at 4:30pm. (8/18/10)

    I'd love for someone else to confirm what I understood from them today. Seems they give different answers to the same question a lot.

    I think this means if you are already registered at a school that you are not supposed to be able to take an open spot at another school unless it is your waitpool school. Not certain what this means to those who are not registered at a school, but remain in a waitpool. If they suddenly wanted to take an open spot tomorrow through end of the month, they could?

    Would love for someone else to try to get answers from EPC to the same questions.

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  52. If you are NOT registered at a school right now, open enrollment will continue indefinitely. You can take an open spot and still keep your waitpool school.

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  53. Does anyone know if there are openings at Chinese Immersion School?

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  54. "Does anyone know if there are openings at Chinese Immersion School?"

    Read up the thread. CIS has 8 in the 0/7 pool. If you're not 0/7, then that means 8 people are ahead of you.

    You'll have better odds trying for West Portal or AFY: at least numbers in the last waitpool PDF released by EPC suggested that was the case. I remember the West Portal waitpool for the Cantonese Immersion program was much smaller than AFY or CIS.

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  55. I've been told by parents that CIS has three kindergarten classes and they are not filled to capacity . And also there have been at least 2 drop outs.

    fingers crossed.

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  56. Anyone know about Fairmount first grade?

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  57. I think your odds are better at AFY or CIS than West Portal. West Portal only has one K immersion class (and three GE classes). So even though the waitpool is smaller, there are only 22 or 34 spots as opposed to 66 at AFY or CIS. Good luck.

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  58. Any word on CIS first grade?
    I know some open at Dianne Feinstein first.

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  59. Just at EPC. They are starting calls for kindergarten today, and suggested older grades will happen after that (tomorrow?).

    For those tracking Milk for K, it sounds like it is a longshot for open enrollment - the waitpool has swelled to 8 total, with 1 sibling and 1 0/7.

    If you're headed down there, the waiting room was packed as of 8:15.

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  60. This is 8:33 again. Thanks for the comments about Bryant. I'm heading back down to District HQ to try to do better!

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  61. Off topic, and doesn't do anybody any good this year, but the new maps and feeders for middle school have been published.

    http://sfusd.ggnet.net/resources/changes.php

    I'm shockingly pleased with what I see.

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  62. New topic on the new maps, etc. has been started. Please keep this thread on the 3Day count and calls from EPC. THX

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  63. Does anyone have any information on Miraloma's no-shows? Thanks.

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  64. Anyone know anything about McKinley first grade no-shows?

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  65. Do you know if EPC calls your cell phone if you are not at home? My husband gave them our home number, and our cell phone numbers. IF we do end up getting a call, I hoping they will try alternate numbers as well and not just our home and say "oops no one is home. oh well, you've lost your spot". This whole process has made me bitter. I don't trust anything EPC says anymore.

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  66. I would change your outgoing greeting (if possible) to say, "If this is the EPC, please call my cell phone at #."

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  67. 9:40, good idea. I will do that tonight when I get home from work.
    btw, does anyone know if there are any no-shows at Grattan?

    And where is CIS located? Is this the new school on Carl Street?

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  68. Last year they called cell phones. I dug up my original application and they asked for three numbers on it. So EPC has my home, work and cell phone. Also, they don't give your seat away if you don't answer the phone. They have to talk to you first b/f they go to the next person. Hang in there!

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  69. CIS is at the old DeAvilla campus on Haight Street. Also an entrnce on Belvedere, near Masonic.

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  70. We are enjoying our first week at our 3rd choice school. We realized with our 1/7 status we'd better just be happy with what we got. I really hope people who are holding out for your WP school will get it SOON. I feel for you! Good luck!

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  71. 9:53, thanks for letting me know.

    My husband went to DeAvilla and talked to someone there when we started the second round picks and they pretty much told him that he had no chance trying to get our child in there. So we didn't give it much thought after that. Now I hear everyone talking about this school. Must be a good one. And another school that is just a few blocks from our house.

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  72. Has anyone gotten a call yet? My stomach is in knots waiting for the phone to ring. I can't take this much longer. I have tried to call but no answer and mail box is full messages!! Aaarrgghh!

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  73. CIS at DeAvila got off to a great start with a star principal and engaged families with some money. It's going to be Alice Fong Yu II (would be awesome if it's ultimately K-8). We decided immersion would not be the right choice for our family, but I can see why it's already off-the-charts popular.

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  74. Grattan had 65/66 show on the first day of kindergarten - we checked with the school. EPC said there still may be movement when "domino effect" starts (Grattan to Live Oak, as an example), but it sounds pretty bleak.

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  75. School begins at Live Oak on Monday, 8/23

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  76. Has anyone out there received a call re K wait pool spot opening? I have a feeling we are all going to be sitting this nightmare out until tomorrow. It sure would be great to hear good news from someone out there!!! Ppppllllleeease.

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  77. Go to EPC. They will give out information whether you are on the call list. I was there this morning. Hope this info relieves some of your stress. On a side note, the EPC staff is completely stressed out too.

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  78. Ditto 11:40. Go to EPC if you can.

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  79. I just got a phone call from District and our son got in our wait pooled school!!!!!!! He can start school tomorrow!! Good luck everyone!

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  80. 12:07--congratulations! Where did you get in?

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  81. 12:07pm -- congratulations!! Which school did you get into?thanks for the good news.

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  82. PLEASE post names of schools if you get a call. Thanks!

    Congrats to those getting calls!!

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  83. 12:07

    Congratulations! You must be ecstatic. I can't even imagine how we'll feel when/if we get assigned.

    Can you let us know which school? I know some of the pools are very small so your info would help a number of us understand where we are. Thanks.

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  84. 12:07 here.....

    We got in Clarendon JBBP. My hands are still shaking.....

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  85. 12:21

    That is awesome. A great school. It's nice to start hearing some good news on this blog

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  86. We just got the call from EPC for West Portal GE. I cried. Good luck everyone.

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  87. Congratulations! Welcome to West Portal GE 12:42! Look forward to meeting you...looked like there were about 3 spots available so you are one of the lucky ones so far. We are loving it!

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  88. for those who received a call on your cell phone, was it a blocked number? I just missed a blocked call.

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  89. When an EPC rep called me back last week the number was not blocked. Ditto re hearing some good news starting to roll in!

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  90. Sounds like EPC is starting with fill the high demand schools first...anyone get a spot for Rooftop? Alvarado? Grattan?

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  91. We got a call for a spot at CIS -- it was on my cell and not a blocked number :-)

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  92. 12:07 & 12:42

    What spots did you free up?

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  93. I don't think I can get any work done today. I will just be on this site all day checking to see what parents say. We're waiting still. I'm starting to lose hope.

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  94. 1:08pm

    Did you have a school assignment? If so, which one?

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  95. We were assigned to Rosa Parks GE. We got out of the enrollment, but got a call up until yesterday telling us that our child was absent. I called the school two times to let them know we will not attend.

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  96. 12:42 here. We will be giving up a seat at Sunnyside. We are making the change for logistics. We've been really impressed with Sunnyside.

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  97. Cool - someone on the Sunnyside WL will be happy!

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  98. So that would mean you got Sunnyside in R2?

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  99. 1:25pm

    Thanks for sharing. A hopeful Sunnyside parent will be happy to hear you got WP GE.

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  100. 1:08 here: we had an assignment that we gave up early in the summer, so I'm pretty sure it didn't affect the WL there. It was Starr King GE.

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  101. It may be a bit presumptuous to think higher demand schools are getting filled first, based on only a comment or two? There will be hundreds of calls being made. However, it's just great to hear that some calls are rolling in . . .

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  102. to 1:10

    This is 12:07

    We were 0/7 and have not registered at any school within SFUSD.

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  103. Are you the family that went to the zoo on the first day of school? I hope so. I hope that kid gets a spot somewhere.

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  104. The EPC number was not blocked. 241-6072.

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  105. Congratulations to all who are getting spots off of the waitlists. I'm waiting for a spot to open up at NDV and wondering if anyone has heard of openings or will be giving up their spot.
    Thanks!

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  106. We got a call today, and we got in to New Traditions!! I was the only one in the 0/7 cohort and there was one sibling. but i did call and leave a message this morning. the call came in at about 10:30. they told me i got in and if I wanted the spot! I wanted to scream, of course!! lol! Anyway, then i got another call, i guess returning my original call. Anyway, good luck to everyone! I keep hearing about spots all around the city, Rooftop had a few, Peabody, Mckinley. I think it will be OK. BIG, BIG sigh of relief!

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  107. Congrats on New Traditions, 2:44.

    And if you paid attention to the other news from SFUSD today, you know that the new draft feeder patterns have you going to Roosevelt for middle school. Lucky! It's a fine school.

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  108. We just got our call from the EPC giving us a spot at Grattan (our wait list choice). We were not registered anywhere else so have not left another slot behind. Best wishes to everyone who is still waiting!

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  109. Hi 2:44 PM. Congratulations on New Traditions. I think we spoke at the picnic on Sunday. I told you that you'd get in! :) Congrats and maybe I'll see you tomorrow.

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  110. If you get a phone call today, can you please let us know time of the call, the name of the school and the grade level? (We're trying to decipher where EPC is right now in terms of grade level notification.) We are anxiously waiting for a phone call for upper grades too. Thx and good luck to everyone.

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  111. "It may be a bit presumptuous to think higher demand schools are getting filled first, based on only a comment or two? There will be hundreds of calls being made."

    You're right. I'm just trying to determine if and when I will receive a call. Just waiting for a spot at my neighborhood school (not in high demand)...

    It's just so hard to relax...

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  112. 2:44 here, try calling EPC and leave a message, they've been really good about calling back and this time we got a great call back. i called everyday this week and got the same message, we'll know by friday. good luck!

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  113. We're completely defeated. We are 0/7, live in neighborhood Y, and were placed in a school in neighborhood X.

    Friends were also placed at the same school and they live in neighborhood X. Our kids are the same sex and the moms literally went to the same graduate school.

    We opted to enroll at the school we were assigned and waitlisted our neighborhood school. Our friends refused the spot, enrolled in private school, and just got told they got in off the waitlist for our neighborhood school.

    Oh, and now the school we got assigned to got a horrible redistricting map and will feed into a horrible middle school in a place that will be hard to get to if you have the audacity to work.

    Thank you SFUSD for kicking us about 17 times in a row while we're down. Kindergarten to College my (expletive intentionally withheld).

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  114. I suppose epc closes at 4 -- I'm sure they aren't staying late to make calls :-)

    We are waiting on an upper grade too.

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  115. An EPCer gave me the following info this morning:

    "We've begun calling this morning and it will be ongoing for the next week or two. The wait pools are to be dissolved at the end of the month."

    She is one of the few I've spoken with down there that actually seems to know what she's talking about and has been very responsive to all my questions.

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  116. When I called today I was told they would begin calls this evening and all be working late. But she wouldn't give me any info on waitpool #s or anything at all. I am not giving up hope.

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  117. If you get an offer, how long do you have to accept it? Sorry in advance if this has been asked and answered a gazillion times.

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  118. 3:46, I'm sorry for your stress.

    One thing, the middle school situation is going to change a lot between now and your kid entering 6th grade. I really urge you not to focus on that issue right now.

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  119. 4:12, you have to accept it on the spot. Obviously, there are probably people desperately waiting for that same spot who are still in the pool! Hopefully by now you know whether or not you want that waitpool school.

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  120. 4:12 PM, they actually have a buzzer. If you don't respond in, I think, 35 seconds, you lose the spot. It happened to a friend of mine last year, she started crying and couldn't respond. Then lost the spot at Rooftop.

    I'm totally kidding of course. You do have to accept during that phone call; no callbacks or whatnot. I imagine that most people are ready to take their waitpool, especially after re-upping over the summer.

    Good luck to all.

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  121. 4:21, thanks for the laugh! I almost fell for it. Shows to go you... I need to relax.

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  122. 4:14, respectfully, 6 years is not a lot of time. Think back to the birth of your kinder and realize he/she is now 5 to 6 years old and attending school.

    Our kinder kids are the last class in before major changes to the system happens. We are going to a neighborhood school weighted system but we are starting the feeder program immediately despite knowing that for six years the kids being fed will be coming from a non-neighborhood school system.

    Rather than having the chance at a lottery spot, we will be assigned a school and be given the opportunity to wait-pool another school. Oh, and since we're in the SFUSD, we will have virtually no right to transfer. In a sick way, that's crueler than this system.

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  123. You have 24 HOURS to respond. It is not immediate! I've been told that twice this week at EPC as part of the rationale for why this takes so long. Each family gets 24 hours (some take on the spot), but they have to give them that time before giving the spot to someone else. That's why even 3 open spots can take a week to fill.

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  124. Is that true 4:43? I'd read about the on-the-spot stuff before, but I forget if it's official.

    For all the changes to the assignment system, I think a lot could be resolved by having a published standard for what they're doing. Of course, that would rob them of the flexibility of doing almost whatever they want.

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  125. 4:40, this is 4:14 again.

    Respectfully, I do know what I am talking about as I have two in middle school now. Since the early 2000's, I have watched two middle schools that I never would have considered acceptable turn into our two top choices. I also watched the middle school that I was sure we were aiming for drop to 4th on our list. That was without any of the demographic pushes being contemplated by this new system.

    I imagine that some of these new middle school efforts will succeed--whether because of magnet programs as they are talking about at ISA, or because of demographic shifts that occur when/if school communities decide to go for it and move together into the new middle school. The thing is that it hardly takes any time for shifts to happen on the middle school level, because it's three years and you are out. I'm sure too that some efforts will not succeed. We can't really know which yet. The alchemy of school turnaround is not an exact science.

    My real point though was to say, and I really do mean this respectfully, that of all the things that are stressing you out around this process, and I do get that it is real, this is not the one I would focus on. There is time yet for things to change--the middle schools themselves, and other options too that you might want to take such as applying for a K8 or better feeder school in upcoming grades. A lot can happen in six years.

    I wish you the best and I hope you get the call you are waiting for.

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  126. "You have 24 HOURS to respond"

    Is this TRUE? Ugh. Don't people know by now? Lots of people are waiting by the phone!!!

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  127. Here's a hatchet job article from CW Nevius about the assignment system. It would have been interesting to see which schools this family put out. Plus the DeAvila "rescue" presented by Tom Hseih is a self-promoting pipe-dream: there's no need to turn around a new school! It is true that the DeAvila parents, teachers, staff and students have worked hard to make a good school, but going from 0 to positive is light years easier than going from negative to positive.

    Pisses me off.

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  128. 5:36PM

    You know I actually emailed Nevius and thanked him for the write-up today. I know it wasn't perfect, but I personally think any type of general awareness out in the community as a whole is a positive thing. It's so easy to become bitter and negative when we've all been so extremely stressed out by this.

    Also regarding the 24 hour issue, I sort of think it's easier to wait by the phone than worry about not getting a call that you can instantly say "YES!" to the school you have been waiting for so long.

    Hang in there everyone!

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  129. i just got a call on my cell today!!!! we got mckinley for k!! we were 0/17. i went by the school and met a really nice mom who told me that there were about 4 open spots in her child's k class. there could be hope for more of you out there who are on the wait-pool for mckinley. i'm shocked that our process has ended because it has been a horrible experience.

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  130. We called our waitlist school and the person that answered the phone said there were no vacancies. She told me to call EPC. I called EPC and said we were not on the call list.
    Does this mean it's over for us? This is in regards to a first grader. I can't imagine anyone from this school leaving for a better school.

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  131. 6:27, I'm sorry to hear it. I would hold out hope a bit. People do move over the summer. I know a couple of families who got in to some very popular schools. Was there a big wait pool?
    We are in the same boat, waiting for a first grade spot at a school where people don't tend to leave.
    Hang in there!

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  132. Funny how "Kate" hasn't posted the Nevius article. Could it be that the public school booster team is afraid of an article that suggests that middle class families leave the city every year in droves?

    Hey, with the new assignment system, which will tie school test scores to property values, I'm convinced that we'll be able to get a 20 to 30% reduction on the assessed value of our home.

    That's nice. That'll be a 20 to 30 percent reduction in our property taxes.

    Go middle class exodus!
    Go declining schools and property values!!

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  133. I know it's extremely difficult to keep positive and not become bitter/negative. Kate has done an amazing job of establishing this blog and keeping people abreast of so many issues and stats.

    Even though Kate preferred and promoted public schools during her own trials and tribulations and ultimately was "forced" into private education, she STILL keeps this blog up and that says a LOT about an amazing supportive parent within our community.

    I do know many of us are very "hot and bothered" as well as frustrated, stressed and burned out, so do your best to take deep breaths before lashing out. Kate is a good gal. Thank you all and . ..

    Hang in there everyone!

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  134. We didn't get a call today either. We're very bummed. This whole process is a nightmare. We are slowly losing hope...

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  135. What, are you saying Kate/Amy's kid no longer goes to public school? When did this happen? What private does she go to?

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  136. "I do know many of us are very "hot and bothered" as well as frustrated, stressed and burned out, so do your best to take deep breaths before lashing out. Kate is a good gal. Thank you all and . .. "

    Don't talk down to us.

    I do think that Nevius Article should be posted. Along with the blog comments that follow the article.

    Otherwise, this blog is nothing but a fake public school promo site, with little substance or factual information for San Francisco parents.

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  137. Relax, Kate's kids both go to a public school. She has been very dedicated to this blog while working full time. She is an amazing advocate for our schools for which I am thankful.

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  138. We received our phone call at 6 this evening. The EPC staff member said they would make phone calls till 9 tonight. We got our first grade spot at DW.

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  139. Sorry pleading ignorance -- what is DW?

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  140. I have no problem with posting and discussing the Nevius article. It certainly conveyed the frustration that parents feel and of course fit right into Nevius's grinding axe about making SF friendlier for the upper middle class.

    However, I wouldn't say that it conveyed much useful or substantive information for parents--especially given that the SAS is about to change in ways that may very well address the sources of frustration that were named, particularly in making the process simpler and very likely more secure for more middle class families (albeit removing an array of choices as well). Better to actually read the documents about the new SAS and try to explain to people what is about to happen.

    YMMV on this of course. You may find his complaining about the old system useful.

    My hope is that Nevius actually follows up on the new SAS and on the actual situation with the schools. His usual deal is to skim the surface, make his complaint about how complicated and impossible the schools are, and move on. He himself moved his family out of SF to raise his kids, and only recently moved back here. It would be so much more interesting to read his articles if he dug deeper.

    Again, YMMV.

    Kate is an active and current public school parent who posts articles of all stripes here, and she is very easy on the moderation of this blog. It's much less a mouthpiece than a forum for a wide set of views--which is why it is so addicting.

    Congrats to all who got calls today, and best of luck to those still waiting.

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  141. DW is Daniel Webster. Guessing the person got the kid into the Spanish immersion, which is where the waitpool is. Congrats!

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  142. Sorry, re Nevius column,but what is YMMV. A lot of acronym usage herein this blog, when many of us just aren't "tuned it" to what some others are tuned into.

    Also, glad to hear Kate did get into the public school system as a very lengthy article in some pub (maybe it was Vanity Fair? - I'm not sure), said she had to turn to private after all her extreme efforts. Maybe it was an SF Chron piece - I just don't recall.

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  143. Will EPC make any calls over the weekend?

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  144. "However, I wouldn't say that it conveyed much useful or substantive information for parents--especially given that the SAS is about to change in ways that may very well address the sources of frustration that were named, particularly in making the process simpler and very likely more secure for more middle class families (albeit removing an array of choices as well). Better to actually read the documents about the new SAS and try to explain to people what is about to happen."

    The article could have been more in depth, that is true. And yes, there were some errors.

    However, the false belief still exists in the minds of most people in this city that the reason that families are not getting school assignments is because they hold out for top tier schools.

    That's false.

    And that does come through to some degree in the article.

    The article also points out that there is an exodus of middle class families every year from the city. No surprise then in the future when property values (and property taxes) fall. Let's not hear any complaining about declining revenues for SF schools.

    The article also points out that the political leadership in the city has been singularly focused on assisting only those at the bottom, while actually laying on disincentives that force middle class families out of the city.

    Unfortunately, the article didn't get to the pandering toward families who are native speakers of the languages chosen by the SFUSD for immersion programs.

    And yes, it is up the the editor of the Chronicle to vet the information in the article.

    Unfortunately, the Chronicle is now mostly an endless string of "puff pieces", to use to the expression of another blogger from last week.

    I'm very skeptical about the new assignment system. It will not be a pure neighborhood assignment system. There will still be many people who are not assured of access to their local school.

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  145. Should I just give up at this point or will there be more calls tomorrow? I am waiting for Alvarado SI.

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  146. Got our call this morning! Finally got a spot at Jefferson, hurrah, after months of anxiety and waiting and hoping! We had in fact switched out of the Grattan waitpool because Jefferson's was smaller at that point, though by the end they were the same. Anyway, we are very happy with Jefferson, and my son starts tomorrow! He doesn't seem too stressed about the switch, though he was doing fine at JOES. If only we hadn't lived so far away, it seemed like a nice, friendly, small school

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  147. Congrats Carlin! My son is also in K at Jefferson and we are very happy with the school. I hope to meet you in the K playground soon!

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  148. YMMV = your mileage may vary

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  149. Kate is a parent at Jose Ortega Elementary School (sometimes called JOES here), in the Mandarin immersion program. She posted a very sweet video last year made by the PTA at the school--I recommend checking it out here on their website:

    http://joseortegaschool.org/

    Especially since it sounds from the new Jefferson parent just above that there is a new space open at JOES.

    It's really a lovely, lovely school. Just happens to be in a neighborhood overlooked by this blog--though on a southern commute, if that works for anyone. According to the draft middle school feeder list released today, the kids will be assigned Aptos for middle, which is a score.

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  150. Oh, one last thing about Kate--the ending of her K-search story was that she turned down a spot at Marin Country Day School for the one at Jose Ortega Elementary.

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  151. I forgot to say, epc was calling me with the good news from a blocked number yesterday. Also my friend was able to call them to see if they were on the call list (that may make it unnecessary for you to go to epc.)

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  152. Morning! Wouldn't the call list change with the domino effect (Kid A takes a spot at school A, Kid B gets Kid A's former spot at school B, etc)

    Just wondering if it is worth it to trek down there or call epc today. Might be just to do something active before the weekend.

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  153. So if "Kate" is no longer running this blog, who is?

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  154. for what it's worth, it looked like 3 kids in one of the kindergartens at Rosa Parks JBBP didn't show up this morning (they could've been late or out sick)

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  155. 9:40 am

    Thanks for keeping the rest of us who are sitting at home or work waiting for a call...

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  156. Do you think it's possible that there were people who just "checked out" their public school assignments (like camp), before starting their private school?

    I know I'm just grasping at straws...but I do know of a student last year who registered for and "tried" public school for one day before going back to private.

    I think there is still plenty of movement that will continue next week (due to the domino effect). But I think there will be less domino effect in the "trophy" schools...unless the movement comes from private schools.

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  157. So if "Kate" is no longer running this blog, who is?

    Huh?

    Kate (whose real name is Amy) still runs this blog.

    She has always been light on moderation, which has created a fairly free-wheeling space for discussion.

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  158. For anyone waiting on Miraloma news... I just heard from the principal that there are no WP spots open this year in kindergarten.

    Sigh... This blows.

    PS: We live across the street from Miraloma.

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  159. I'm sorry, 11:13. Do you have another assignment somewhere or are you without a school right now?

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  160. Sorry 11:13 -- if you aren't happy this year can you try for first grade?
    Just called epc and voicemail doesn't work! Might go by in person. Hate to wait out the weekend without news.

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  161. I feel like there will be K spots at New Traditions. Three kids have not shown up in my child's class and I've heard from other parents that the other classes are not at full capacity. The wait pool is very small so people may be able to go down to the EPC soon and get into the school even if they weren't on the wait pool. We love the school so far-great staff, nice families, strong after-school program, creative arts focus, and small school size.

    Good luck to everyone!

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  162. @ 11:17... Yes, we're at Sheridan. It seems like a good place but it's just not what we really wanted given our proximity to Miraloma and, of course, that Miraloma is such a great school. Yes, we will definitely try for 1st grade. Good luck everyone!

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  163. "Sigh... This blows."

    Yeah, you're right, it completely blows.

    The same thing happened to us last year. No call. They never called us. I hung on the end of my cell for weeks.

    The SFUSD will never admit it, but they don't have enough spots at acceptable (let's say 5/10 or better) schools in the city. And if you happen to fall into the non-poor category, and speak English, you're at the back of the pack.

    There's probably at least 300 families in the city right now waiting for that call that will never receive it. And another 1000 are very unhappy with the school that their child is now attending.

    Let's face it. The city doesn't give a damn. What they care about is continuing to attract tourism dollars, looking "green", and throwing themselves behand the sanctuary city policy, no matter the cost.

    Seriously, if you can't afford private or parochial school, and you didn't get an acceptable school assignment, you'd be foolish to stay here.

    I know plenty of parents who have tried. The last ones gave up and moved as middle school approached, as their child was flunking out of school and starting to adopt the gang behavior of his peers.

    The new system doesn't look any better.

    Please! A few of us have been trying to tell you all year about how it really works here.

    So where all those public school boosters that said that virtually everybody they knew got a school they were happy with?

    Obviously not wasting their time at the EPC. No, they managed to grease the wheel and get their kids into good schools. And they sure don't want to hear from the "this blows" crowd, who might upset the apple cart.

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  164. Just spoke to Buena Vista secretary who told me the K classes were over-enrolled, so even if there were any no shows, there is not much chance they'll accept any new students - Cry? Scream?

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  165. OMG - I can't believe they over-enrolled BV

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  166. 11:49 AM, I know you're just ranting, but the original poster is sending her child to Sheridan, which got a 7/10 on 2008 (and a 10/10 when controlling for demographics). So Sheridan is a good school, better than 5/10. Now I agree that for the original poster, not getting into the school across the street is a pain, and I hope that she gets her child into first grade, especially if there's a sibling. But taking her story and coming to the conclusion that there aren't enough good schools is bogus. She's in a good school.

    Now, maybe you're right, but this specific anecdote doesn't support your (foregone) conclusion.

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  167. i realy thought more people would be posting about calls today.

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  168. Hello from EPC! Huge line, very upset people on both sides of the counter. I would love to hear some good news today! Bring it on!!!

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  169. This really does blow. The new system doesn't seem to be any better. This is a lottery system and some people win the lottery, some people lose.

    I'm of the group that says it all works out in the end.. because it did for our family.

    Kindergarten is not mandatory. There are still other options besides public school.

    I feel for the Sheridan mom because that is where we were last year and made the very difficult decision to keep our child in private K and try again this year for 1st. could our family afford it? absolutely not, almost immediately after we made this decision, my partner was laid off for 15 months. Also it turns out that private school was a horrible fit for our son (great school, just not for our rambunctious class clown)

    And we are now at Miraloma, and I love it, my son loves it, I love knowing that I'll have a child attending that school for the next ten years AND bonus, we may be going to Aptos after that. next worry is HS.

    Where did our luck turn in this story? We went 0/7 on 1st grade and were assigned Monroe which is a great school I'd never heard of. I'm sure there are others (great schools you've never heard of). Anyway, for 1st grade at Miraloma this year, they only cleared the 0/7 waitpool so someone who put only 1 school, Miraloma because they knew that's what they wanted, wouldn't have made it in.

    your in a horribly stressed place right now but it will pass. Don't panic.
    Does Lakeshore Presbyterian have any K openings? another option would be to try St. Finn Barr's, there has to be a catholic school out there without a full K class.

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  170. My experience with San Francisco public school system reminds me of people in an impoverished nation fighting over a rotten potato.

    People told me I was "lucky" I got #### GE (which I turned down after lots of external review and several site visits). Hello? It is so bad, under federal law you don't have to go there (it doesn't meet "No Child Left Behind" criteria). Not to mention it's 45 MINUTES out of my way.

    Yes, I'm one of those people most K-Filers hate because I'm fighting for a "good" school I probably won't get into (and I can't wait for all their "I told you sos." But let's be honest, even the "trophy" schools are pretty crappy compared to nice suburbs or states with good funding. We are all fighting over rotten potatoes and it's *$&*ing depressing. And quit telling me I need to fix these schools. Sure I can plant a garden or get a grant for solar panels, but that's like putting frosting on a shit cake.

    Thanks for letting me rant. Now I'll go back to waiting for my phone to ring, telling me I can trade in my rotten potato for some wilted kale, while the rich or suburban kids get steak. But I'm realizing that phone call is probably not coming. Then I'm going to be one of the 1,000 middle classers that said fuck this and moves as soon as I can sell my house and find a new job.

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  171. My husband talked to EPC and they said they would probably not be making any calls for Fairmount. Pretty bummed, as that is what we really wanted, but we are lucky to be at Jefferson.

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  172. We are livid!!! One of our neighborhood friend just called and said they got into Grattan. He also told us that 3 other families got in. So four families out 7 and we have been shafted once again. We live two blocks away from school for god sake and our younger child is going to Grattan CDC. I keep staring at my phone and checking it every few minutes, but I already know we will not be receiving a call. What a messed up feeling. And my child who should be in kindergten now is looking up at me asking why I'm crying.

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  173. Planning at being at Alta Vista open house tomorrow. I understand there are still a few spots and financial aid available

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  174. 1:31

    I feel super sorry for you. You probably won't get a call. Hopefully you have something else going on for your child. I am sure you will get Grattan eventually (maybe later in the year, maybe next year).

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  175. 1:29--yes, you are lucky to be at Jefferson!

    1:31, near Grattan--do you have a backup plan? Your younger child will get in for sure next year, and your older child may very well too as a neighborhood transfer under the new system.

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  176. 1:31pm

    I'm sorry you haven't gotten Grattan yet. I hope you get it. If not, you might want to go to the EPC next week and see if there are any spots at New Traditions. It's a great school and very close to Grattan. As I said earlier, I think there will be extra spots after all the wait pool people have been called (it has a very tiny wait pool). I love all three kinder teachers so at least your child would have a nice kinder year. Then you could try to for Grattan next year. Best of luck!

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  177. I was also in the Grattan 0/7 waitpool and haven't gotten a call. I am so, so, so depressed.

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  178. "Frosting on a shit cake" and "Fighting over a rotten potatoe":

    Thank you. It's really not worth it, is it. Thank you for reminding me. Next year looks like another grim masquarade.

    There's some high and mighty SFKfiler rambling on in another thread about "does anybody ever go to Crocker Amazon or Denman?"

    I don't know, but maybe a few BOE members should.

    A few years ago, quite a number of families who could easily have made a go of it in Palo Alto and Los Altos decided instead to try out Bernal and Glen Park. Guess the city doesn't need them. They'll all be moving out soon.

    Probably part of the plan anyway. The proletariat doesn't believe in children, schools or homeownership anyway. Just bikes, dogs and feel good policies.

    Last year, we, bernal parents, were assigned to El Dorado and this year, Junipero Serra, which it appears, will feed into Denman Middle school.

    Get real.

    I'd really like to see Rachel Norton, Hydra Mendoza and Sandra Fewer send their kids to El Dorado, Junipero Serra and Denman Middle school.

    Total "frosting on a shit cake."

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  179. To the Grattan moms, it is so, so tough. New Traditions is a fine school, and it's pretty close, but it's not 2 blocks away. (It also doesn't start at 7:50, but that's another thing.) If you're that close, with lots of friends there and your child isn't in public kindergarten, you could wait (and wait some more). You should have some spies in the school who could tell you when someone moves away, then hop down to the EPC to get in. Not fun, but with your guarantee for the next kid, maybe it's the best plan.

    Still sucks though.

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  180. I talked to an EPC counselor, and she said this was a very tough year with the economy. She saw a lot of transfers from private school.

    I think we are experiencing a double-dip recession (depression). I don't think next year will be any better. Don't count on a lot of no-shows. Almost everyone will show up like they did this year.

    Having the private and public start dates so far apart is definitely going to screw up the system. I know one woman whose son is going to try out public kindergarten for 2 weeks and then take their private spot if they don't like it. By that time the waitlpools will be dissolved and people waiting will be stuck in a public school they don't want.

    Very poor decision to have this earlier start time. Who cares when community college starts?

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  181. Is this a surprise? People wanted neighborhood schools. Basically that is what they got. Now they don't like what they got. I am not very happy with my feeder middle school which activates for our kid next year, but my kid wants to stay with her friends, so I will make the best of it.

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  182. I know you'd rather throw tomatoes at me right now, but we went to the EPC and had a pleasant experience today. The counselors gave us time and were patient. They wanted to help us as best they could. Realize they are limited to what the database says and are simply trying to follow procedure.I took notice of the parents there that came to 'fight' and those that were hopeful and those with all the paperwork in hand to make something happen.

    We are new to the city and new to the system. We want to be a part of the city as a whole and certainly want to find community in our public school. We moved from another state where you went to school according to where you live. I understand that SF is unique in that parents have the choice. I can see the pros and cons to this. We would all be happy if it went 'our' way. However, we are all people with different views and opinions and different socio-economic backgrounds which will always create conflict if we choose to be selfish.

    All this to say, we are gonna jump in with our hands and feet at our assigned school and help to make it better. We are gonna live this out with our kids, too. Hopefully when all is said and done and waitpools are dissolved, we will all find at least one family at our school and do the same.

    I want to continue to believe that the employees at the SFUSD and the EPC

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  183. 2:59, shifting the calendar made sense for high school. Shifting elementary and middle school was just to make life easier for the district administration. The private schools will adjust, or the district will keep the waitpools together longer. If they keep the waitpools until, say September 10, the 10-day count would be higher (meaning more money for the district), but when private-bound kids leave, committed public parents will take there spots. That would mean more money for "boderline" and "hidden gem" schools.

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  184. 3:18 - good for you and your positive attitude. We started with an less than desirable school 5 years ago and now it is one of the schools mentioned above as a school that people are getting depressed over because they can not get into it. It has happened over and over again and can happen again.

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  185. I know I will get flak for saying this, but I was told on the admitted parents tour at New Traditions that kids get 20 minutes of art per week. That did not sound like much of an arts focus to me. I know they integrate art into other subjects, but at what school is that statement NOT true? They're also being forced to push their nice big art space into half its current size to accommodate the library, which is also being forced to move, to make room for another classroom. A teacher told us on the tour that they're so busy evaluating kids for NCLB they don't have enough time to teach them. The principal said that it's a constant challenge to sustain their small school model, and they still seem under-enrolled. Given the location just north of the Panhandle, decent test scores, matches-the-city diversity, and attractive physical plant, I find that odd to say the least. Academically the school seems fine and that's the main thing, but I came away feeling uncomfortable. It just did not feel happy. We gave up our spot. If Grattan is your dream school, NT is not just a physically attractive nearby substitute with later start time. NT has a very different vibe than the joyful, once-more-into-the-breach feeling you get at Grattan. Maybe you will feel different and it may be worth a look, but I'd rather wait it out in parochial and transfer into somewhere else as an out-of-district student. Sorry.

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  186. I hear you re: New Traditions. The website says "a creative arts school," but it's not clear what that means, exactly. The art room is very cool, but it's likely to get downsized as the school tries to grow its student body.

    The school normally takes 33 kindergartners and splits them into a regular kinder and a K/1 split, but this year they accepted 55 (or something) and have 2 Ks and a K/1 split. The "upper" grades are really small (17 in 5th or something), which is why the principal pushed for an extra kinder class this year.

    The diversity is interesting there, too. In the kinder classes with 55 or so kids, I think like 40 of them are white. I'm sure there are some mixed-race kids, but there are a ton of little blondies. In the upper grades, there are a lot more African-American kids, like 30%. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of interaction between these parents.

    The school still has a bus that runs from Bayview, Outer Noe, into the Western Addition to school, but with the draft changes, that will most likely go away.

    Like you say, it's a small school with pretty facilities in a good location. What was wrong before? My guess is that it used to be a very black school, so the white middle class stayed away. Then there was so much pressure on the other schools in the area (Lilienthal and Grattan), that more local (white) parents started coming. In three years, people will be clamoring to get in, but no one will talk about how it's diversity matches San Francisco. Well, unless San Francisco reverts to being 80% white.

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  187. The school is finally starting to attract a larger number of NOPA families with roots in the neighborhood and the school is becoming gentrified. This should stablize enrollment. New Traditions also became active in promoting itself. Many people have never heard of it. Being an alternative school was great because you really had families from all over the city but many of them were only here temporarily and then left the city all together. As a school that focuses on the arts it is too bad we lost the art building. The school will still focus on arts. Families in the area seem really happy the school is there and within walking distance for most of them. We have been there four years and its been great for our child. I will;however, miss the diversity as the school gentrifies.

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  188. Any movement today?

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  189. Has anyone grades 1 and up heard anything ? I was told by EPC they finished K last night and were calling the grades today. Of course I was also assured I'd be hearing from them today at the latest. . .

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  190. My friend got a call last night and got her child into our school (Miraloma)for 1st grade. We were thrilled!

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  191. All: we are all extremely stressed and many are bitter. It's so easy for this to happen -- I mean, we are talking about OUR children! However, there seems to be a lot of negativity an "sling shotting," if you will, neither in my mind helps matters or anyone. Yes, I think we are all in agreement that the current system sucks big time; however, try, try, try as you might to step back and think more positively rather than lashing out at others on this site (I think this site is meant to be supportive of each other). Anyway . .. negative energy, etc, will get you nowhere. If we all coalesce, we can create tremendous power. I know, I know, it is so difficult with all the individual challenges we face! However -- try, try, try. We shall succeed!

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  192. 8:40: so are they finished with calls? at epc today I was under the impression they were not. this lack of consistency is making me crazy! btw: epc didn't give me any wp info for the first grade spot we want.

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  193. We know a family at Miraloma that just got off the waitpool list at Alvarado... so a spot at Miraloma should open up next week.

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  194. THanks - What grade?

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  195. After reading a few of these postings, I am so glad that my child is not going into Kindergarten this year! The whole public school process was so difficult, and we ended up at Zion Lutheran in the Inner Richmond. Small class sizes, and great teachers. We couldn't be happier!

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  196. Is EPC planning on calling over the weekend? We still have nothing and I'm wondering if I just let it go and try and have a fun weekend rather than wait by the phone.

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  197. I know two people who are moving out of Miraloma K class. Hopefully this helps you who are waiting for those spots.

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  198. Yikes. 3-Day count is up, its Aug. 21st and I have this horrile feeling that many families are going to get nada, zip, zilch. I don't think 2010 is anything like the years past.

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  199. It's going to take a long time for everything to settle down with assignments. The two spots at Miraloma will be filled with people who are at another school, which will open two more spots, and so on. There will be a lot more movement before the process is over.

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  200. I heard that EPC is indeed calling people over the weekend.

    Good intel, I suppose, but I am not sure it makes me feel any better. The waiting is so stressful.

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