Saturday, May 1, 2010

Round II letters: 2010

Feel free to share your news...

279 comments:

  1. No letter in the mail today, meaning we have to wait til Monday =/

    Good luck everyone!!

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  2. We also did not get our letter today. Kind of miffed.

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  3. No letter but no list for our cohort! I'm so excited, yet can't celebrate untill the letter comes.

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  4. out of three people...no letters so far. make me think sfusd sent them out late on friday and no one will see letters till monday :(

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  5. do we know if those who don't get a spot they wanted in R2 or the first waitpool run even get letters?

    sorry to ask a downer question :-(

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  6. @ 11:46: I believe you get a letter no matter what...as you get an assignment to some school...no matter if it's your wait pool or alternate choice school or some other school on your list :(

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  7. i assume you get a letter if you don't already have an assignment and/or you did get placed at your waitpool school

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  8. @ 11:46: I believe you get a letter no matter what...as you get an assignment to some school...no matter if it's your wait pool or alternate choice school or some other school NOT on your list :(

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  9. someone please tell me you got a letter today!

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  10. mail came - no letter

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  11. No letter here either!

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  12. Last year you didn't get a letter if your R1 assignment didn't change. I don't know how they are doing it this year.

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  13. can you let us know if you were expecting an assignment for round 2...

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  14. Late in the process and I still need a little clarification. Let's say SCHOOL ABC has two spots available with no appeals or siblings waiting for an opening and there is 1 child that is in the 0/7 cohort. There is no "guarantee" that the child will be assigned to one of the two available spots, right? The child will only be assigned if he/she contribute to the diversity of the base profile, right?

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  15. I could be wrong, but my understanding is the only "assignment" you get (meaning an assignment to a school you didn't request) is in Round One. If you didn't accept your Round One assignment, they don't give you a new one. It makes sense - they already gave you the closest school with openings, and you did not want it. But you will be able to choose a school during open enrollment.

    Also, other years, if you didn't get your waitpool school or a school from your Round Two list, you didn't get a letter.

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  16. 12:13 - In assigning open spots, EPC goes in the order of the waitpool cohorts: hardship, sibling, 0/7, 0/whatever, etc. Even if people in lower cohorts would contribute to greater diversity. Only exception seems to be immersion, where there are slots reserved for target language/non-target language speakers.

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  17. No letter in the mail today. We were 0/7 in first round.

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  18. mail came early - but no letter. This better be worth the wait! We were 0/7 with plan B to move. The waitpool list looks like our cohorts is now empty so assume we got in, but I want the letter!!!

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  19. Mail came-no letter, how cruel! I can just imagine someone at SFUSD saying, "Don't bother going to the post office, I'll drop those letters off on my way home". UGH! They were publishing the cohorts yesterday morning, they know we are waiting.
    I was feeling comforted by the fact that no one else received a letter until I read 1:39 who says that we don't get a letter if our assigned school doesn't change.

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  20. You get a letter if you participated in R2, i.e. you turned in an Amended List, or Waitpooled a school and got in. You don't get a letter if you either accepted your R1 assignment and did not participate in R2, or if you weren't selected in the April Waitpool Run and you didn't turn in an Amended list. If you accepted an assignment in R1 but still decided to try your luck in R2, you still will get a letter and only a school on your Amended List or your Waitpool choice with override your first accepted assigned school. I believe they will offer a school not on your Amended List if you did not get placed in any of your R2 choices, but you do not have to accept.

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  21. O/7 in R1. Submitted an amended list. No letter today.

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  22. No letter here either. I am thinking SFUSD just didn't get the letters in the mail early enough on Friday. Argh! Another two days to wait now.

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  23. o/7 first time, ran out to the mailman's truck, no letter!

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  24. No letter here either. I waited for the mailman all afternoon. Met him and he handed me the mail. I got the GGMG newsletter and a credit card offer. I asked him if that was all. I'm sure I looked close to tears and he now thinks I am crazy.

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  25. 1:41-Thank you!

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  26. I'm trying to keep some perspective, but wow it seems cruel to make us wait two more days when we've already waited a month. It's just all such an emotional roller coaster. I hate it.

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  27. LOL at 4:12! aren't we all though! Another 2 days of waiting...

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  28. Oh, no -- I'm so sorry everyone. I remember being on pins and needles last year waiting for the Round 2 letter... It was hard enough waiting for the mail to arrive...let alone two more days!!

    Out of curiosity, I went back and read last year's Round 2 thread. It's clear that last year people who struck out on Round 2 got their letters on Saturday. In other words...don't despair -- the fact that you didn't get a letter doesn't necessarily you didn't get your wait pool/amended choice.

    Good luck, everyone! My fingers are crossed for an early mail delivery on Monday!!!

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  29. No letter in the mail. Just for clarification, we didn't accept our R1 choice, but submitted a waitlist choice and an amended list. We would still get a letter right? Even if it ended up being the first R1 school we declined?
    I'm just so stressed. I was able to convince the parochial school principal that we were accepted at to postpone our deposit two extra weeks, out of hardship. I was hoping to hear back on Saturday to give them the yes or no tomorrow. What drama!

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  30. Caroline,

    Where are you when we need you?

    Everything is fine with the assignment system, right?

    Try telling these people that everything is fine.

    Are you still sticking to your line that everything turns out fine for everyone, in the end?

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  31. Look, I know that everyone is stressed out, and I don't blame you, but it's not Caroline's fault that the mail didn't go out on time. Who knows -- maybe the delay has to do with cutbacks at the postal service. I know it's maddening when someone tells you it will all work out when you're in the thick of a stressful situation, but that doesn't mean the messenger is a bad person. She's trying to help.

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  32. No mail for us either. Tomorrow was the only day over the next 2 weeks I can go to 555 Franklin. Just great, my mail I am does not come until after 4 p.m., this really puts a wrench in a process that was already bad enough. SFUSD closes at 4:30 p.m., they could not get to a mail box drop by 5:00 p.m., ridiculous.

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  33. 2:54 you can go down tomorrow and have them look it up. But you won't need to go there if you get a spot you go to the school.

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  34. 1:12, sounds like you will get a letter no matter what. But you will only get an assignment if you got your waitpool school or something off your round two list.

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  35. Sorry none of the letters arrived Saturday.. that really is just typical. At least they posted the Waitlist, once last year they didn't do that on time.

    Anyway, I'm feeling pretty positive about our chances since the waitpool list says there is no one in our cohort... that means we either got in or the list is wrong (that could _never_ happen).

    For those of you upset by this whole process: You have every right to be. But I want to tell you that it will work out. I have been so mad and frustrated and for the first time in a year and a half I have hope.

    Our story: Last year, I missed the deadline for turning in our papers (SFMOM) so we were Round 2. And for those of you who will jump all over me for missing what would be a very important deadline.. I'm over it, I suggest you let it go.

    We ended up with Sheridan, which I thought was a great school, I just had no idea what my son would be up to for four hours after school each day in an area of the city that I wouldn't want to spend 10 minutes in. We had a private backup so we went with that. Many days I've wondered if we did the right thing. Its not the best fit for my son, its a small academically advanced school and my son just wants to run around and play games all day. Its been a struggle. He is doing well academically, he's learning spanish, swimming, tennis, chess as well as reading, writing and math.

    Fast forward to this year, got our papers in ON TIME for 1st grade.
    We went 0/7. grrr we were assigned Monroe. A school I'd never heard of, but when I visited found it is an awesome school. Great layout, great principal, all the children looked very happy. I was so impressed with it, it knocked off Sunnyside and Glen Park off my list. I still had hopes of Miraloma or Lakeshore or even C. Sloat. So we did amended with Miraloma as our waitlist. There is no cohort for 0/7 for Miraloma, Lakeshore or Sloat.. so I guess we won't be going to Monroe.

    Now for the pesky letter.. dare I dream its Miraloma?

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  36. SFMOM

    The EPC must have made a mistake and didn't list your cohort. There won't be any movement on the first grade waitpools until the 5 day count. The EPC assumes all kindergarteners will promote on to first grade-- until they don't show up. Plus Miraloma has money from Sacramento to keep grades 1-3 at 20 per class, so I don't think the current waitpool list reflects class-size increase. If that were so, they would have cleared the second cohort too.



    There were 2 spots available in the kindergarten class in February because twins moved back to Sweden. But they were immediately snapped up by another set of twins who were pulled out of private.

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  37. Anybody got letter today (Monday)?
    Still waiting. Our mail doesn't come until late afternoon.

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  38. Our mail comes around 3:00pm so we don't have anything yet either. Am anxious to see if people do start getting letters today. We went 0/7 in Round I and have no back-up. Good luck to everyone waiting anxiously.

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  39. Our mail comes around 3 or 4, so no news yet. We are 1/7 (got our 7th choice, that should have never been on our list. It was our safety school, don't go 0/7 school and it worked, but really, I wish we were 0/7 and had higher WP priority, sigh). I would love to get something better and closer to home. Is that true about no movement in 1st G until the 5 day count? I was just comforting myself that even if we do got to our sad 7th choice school for K, that there was hope for another school in 1st G, but maybe not, double sigh.

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  40. There is hope for first grade, but think about it. The most spots are available initially at the kindergarten level. Then it's just dribs and drabs as people move, switch schools, etc.

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  41. 9:44 AM:

    Yes, it's true.

    If you don't get a public assignment or opening at private and parochial in K, you're best option is to leave the city.

    I have plenty of friends who are happily living in Mountain View, Marin and the East Bay for exactly this reason.

    The city is the worse without them here: less vibrant, less diverse and poorer.


    Good for San Francisco.

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  42. I just went down to EPC this morning to see if they could let me know what school my daughter was assigned to, since we have a pending deposit due at a parochial school we were accepted to. The person at the EPC said there was a "delay" in the mailing and letters would be mailed out TODAY! So, don't expect one in your mailbox today, but most likely tomorrow. If you don't receive anything tomorrow Wednesday is the first day they will have access to assignments and can tell you in person. EEK.

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  43. Really, we miss a deadline and our kid is SOL. We have less than 2 weeks to register and/or submit amended lists back down at EPC. What a joke.

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  44. I love this blog for info just like that! Thank you. At least I won't be so upset when I don't get a letter today. I was freaking out on Saturday until I checked here and saw that no one else had gotten a letter. The waiting game continues. . .

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  45. 10:23: really? The EPC is incompetent. As far as I can tell the whole SFUSD system is incompetent.

    I'm irate, disappointed, and appalled.

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  46. 10:23 - Thanks for posting. I had planned on leaving work during lunch to get the letter so I could have a few moments to myself, instead of opening it in front of my kids at the end of the day. You saved me a wasted trip home.

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  47. WTF!!! So they can not tell you even though they know?!?! And we have to wait another day to 2 days?!?! And no one has the courtesy to tell us? And they don't answer their phones... I am about ready to storm that office and loose it on them. I can not handle my life being on hold another damn day!!!!!

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  48. Hi everyone. The Round 2 mailing was delayed by the city mail distribution center. Although the mailing was prepared and delivered to the city on time (Friday) by the EPC, the city's mail distribution center was unexpectedly understaffed that day and letters did not go out. They have assured us that letters will go out today (Monday).

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  49. Wow! The EPC reads this blog.

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  50. you people really need to learn how to relax and be more zen about things

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  51. 11:49 -- be the peace you want to see in the world :)

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  52. thanks 10:23 - I've had butterflies in my stomach all morning in anticipation of The Letter....guess we have one more night of tossing and turning ;)

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  53. If the late letters are a result of understaffing at the mail center then why can't EPC tell parents who inquire in person about their child's placement until wednesday ? What is that about ?

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  54. thanks for letting us know what you heard from EPC. Like an earlier writer, you saved me a drive home from the office so I could open my letter/vent without my five year old within earshot.

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  55. Mail just came, no letter from EPC. Sigh......

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  56. @12:54 agreed - they have the info, why not understand our stress and give it if people inquire in person?

    I am half the mind to go there and refuse to leave till I get my child's placement.

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  57. Hi, 10:23am here. It was pretty frustrating that they couldn't just tell me what school she had been placed at. I needed to give the parochial school we have been putting on hold a yes or no by today. I pleaded, but only got the response that they "do not have access to that information." And after letters are mailed out, Wednesday would be the first day they would be able to let you know in person. I don't get it, but nothing about this whole process is transparent...

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  58. Not our fault! It's another highly efficient public department's problem. Who knew they would be "unexpectedly understaffed"? And on a Friday at that. No we can't get it out on Saturday. No one works weekends you know.

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  59. Has anyone been in touch with PPS to see if they could convince the EPC to give out the info by phone?

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  60. This off the EPC site:

    Are you waiting to receive your Round 2 assignment letter?
    Due to unexpected delays in the mail sorting center, letters will be mailed on Monday, May 03, 2010.

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  61. Is anyone going to give up their private school spots if they get their #1 choice in R2?

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  62. Oh my Goodness! I've been waiting all day to get the letter, after waiting all day Saturday and thinking about Sunday! Got nothing, panicked, then ran to the computer to see what other people were going through. Another day of waiting?!

    This is my second year trying to believe in this system, having decided to go private after going 1/14, having received my 7th choice r2 last year for K... I was hoping for a better experience this year, but my patience is really running thin, SFUSD!

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  63. Is there any other number to call for the EPC? I always try calling but no one EVER answers! I know they are busy, but saving me that trip there would probably save me lots of money in the long run!

    Also, is it for sure that they are not willing to give any information out in person today? I'm sooooo tempted to go there and try to find out the information myself because I honestly feel like I've been waiting for that damn letter for years. Not to mention, if I'm going to be disappointed with my assignment, I need to know ASAP so I can finally stop believing in getting a lucky break and landing my hard to get WP choice! My chances of getting into that school are slim as it is, do they need to torture me more with waiting and waiting! This is getting ridiculous...

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  64. When I applied school at UCs, I also needed to wait for that offer letter. I didn't even know what day they are supposed to send it out, coz it's different for everybody.

    I didn't know I could go to or call their enrollment office to demand them telling me my offer, and also complain to them why not accepting me. Sounds like you could do that to SFUSD...hm...

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  65. Given that there was no movement on our wait pool school (if the chart at SFUSD is accurate) and we won't take our assigned school, no we won't be giving up our private spot.

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  66. Anyone else thinking about a strategy for next year in 1st grade? I am sending my child to K this year (SFUSD - no back up plan). Still waiting for R2 info and our long shot immersion wait pool.

    We live in CTIP1 but it looks like that will only help with transitional year acceptance (K, 6 and 9). But, going to a no child left behind school and a performance improvement school is a priority for 1st grade admission.

    Do I have that right? I'm having a hard time understanding the new assignment process, and it may affect the K I try for now.

    Should I try to get my child into a NCLB or PI school for K in order to improve my chances for a 1st grade that I really want? Is there a list of these schools? I also need to consider my two younger children, that my partner and I both work full time and we need child-care 7:30-5:30 m-f (but aren't considered a priority for the state run after care programs, so will not get in at poor schools), and I live in the SOMA/mission part of town and work downtown so commuting long distances isn't ideal.

    Any advice? thanks

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  67. does anyone know if you decide to try your luck for a different school in 1st grade after attending public K, do you have to give up your current spot to do so? if so, you could end up with an even worse assigment by hedging your bets.

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  68. "We live in CTIP1 but it looks like that will only help with transitional year acceptance (K, 6 and 9). But, going to a no child left behind school and a performance improvement school is a priority for 1st grade admission."

    Where are you getting this information?

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  69. Here's the link to the redesign policy

    http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/Stu%20Assign%20Bd%20Policy%204%2021%202010.pdf

    This is the part about transferring after K
    "For non-transitional grades, the preferences will be modified so that, apart from students who
    already attend the school, the first priority is for transfers as required by the No Child Left Behind Act
    (“NCLB”), to facilitate preference to the lowest income and lowest performing students from Program
    Improvement (“PI”) schools, and to comply with any applicable state or federal requirements. All of the
    preferences listed in the previous paragraph will apply after the NCLB priorities."

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  70. http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/Stu%20Assign%20Bd%20Policy%204%2021%202010.pdf

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  71. SEIU agreed to 12 unpaid furlough days

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  72. People have written first-hand accounts on other threads in this blog that it is hard to transfer once you've been attending an SFUSD school. They tend to want to place kids first that have no school in the district. You're better off doing a year of pre-K, attending a private school for K, or homeschooling.

    Of those that do attend a really bad school for K and want to transfer, they probably will give priority to kids of low-socioeconomic status not to children of tech-savvy, squeaky-wheel, educated parents that want to game the system so much they'd subject their children to a year at an underperforming school with a lot of stressed families.

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  73. "All of the preferences listed in the previous paragraph will apply after the NCLB priorities."

    I wanted to point this out because CTIP (and neighborhood preference ) will still apply in subsequent years, there just will be a new priority (NCLB) that will go before the other priorities.

    So - My advice would be to find a school you are relatively happy with for K and hope that your CTIP preference will help you with a transfer for 1st grade.

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  74. @3:11p Don't waste your time. Begging and pleading won't get you any answers at the EPC. They are claiming "no access to that information until Wednesday." I was down there this morning and left with no information. :-\

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  75. On transferring when you are within District, I'd have to second the comments above. It is very hard to transfer within District once you are in to a "better" public school. By contrast, I can't tell you how many times friends whose kids go to a private school put in an application for an upper grade transfer and, low and behold, get places like Rooftop, Miraloma, Alvarado, and Clarendon. We are in our fourth year of trying to transfer, with no luck so far. (I've got my fingers crossed that this time it is going to work and, if it does, I promise to EAT my words on this blog and perform all necessary acts of contrition!)

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  76. About first grade:

    it's not true that there is no movement until the 5 day count! Parents often tell schools they won't be returning, some earlier, some later in the spring (our school, like many, has a form to fill out and be returned). A few spots do open up in Round II, but most open up in the round right after school ends, or right before school starts in August. We (and many others) found out in June, and many friends in August.

    On the other hand, I would say that Miraloma is a real longshot for 1st grade (try Lilianthal, Grattan or Feinstein, who generally have some 1st grade spots that open up).

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  77. Anyone know of out of district K programs with openings?

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  78. Marin Prep has openings for their second K classroom.

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  79. 5:22 (1rst one)

    Could you tell us which school you're at?

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  80. marin prep = $20,000/yr

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  81. When do the CTIP lines go into effect?
    I am in the dark green CTIP1, should I wait until "open season"?

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  82. CTIP goes into effect for the 2011-2012 admissions year. Not this year.

    SOMA/Mission CTIP1 mom, I'd think about Marshall, Harvey Milk, Webster, Moscone. It is possible to waitpool and maybe maybe even score one of these in open enrollment if you get lucky. Webster SI would be hard, but the whole school is improving and with the new SAS it will jump forward, so I'd look at GE too.

    As long as we are going on anecdotes, I do think it is a challenge to transfer from another SFUSD school, but I do know of several families in the last five years or so who switched in to Clarendon in the 3rd and 4th grades from other SFUSD schools.

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  83. I think Marshall might be hard - There are 9 people on the waitlist, including 2 approved hardships. Marshall is also a smaller school - with only two K classes per year (44 total spots and 18 spots for english native speakers).

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  84. I know of a fantastic charter school in Sausalito: Willow Creek Academy. They are accepting children from anywhere in the Bay Area. They are about 10 minutes from where you get on the GG Bridge and have a small, lovely green campus nestled in the trees. The Head of School Carol Clarke is warm, genuine, and truly dedicated to the school, as are the teachers we have met so far. There is no tuition, however, parents are required to commit 50 hours of volunteering choosing from a wide range of activities. I encourage you all to check it out! http://www.willowcreekacademy.org/

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  85. Private secular schools with possible openings: inquire with Adda Clevenger, Hillwood Academic Day, Kittredge, Marin Prep, and Stratford School. I believe all these are open enrollment schools rather than competitive admission. I don't know if specific schools have room in their incoming kindergarten classes. Hillwood is probably the least expensive ($7,000 per year including hot meals and before- and after-care and a summer program) and Adda Clevenger is probably the most expensive ($20,000 per year including summer program, with no food but but many hours of music, dance, drama, art and gymnastics incorporated into an 8 hour school day).

    If you would like or at least don't mind religious orientation, you might inquire with Zion Lutheran, some of the Catholic parochial schools (though not the super-popular ones like NDV and St. Brendan's), or Lisa Kampner Hebrew Academy. Zion and the parochials are around $7,000-$8,000 per year plus extra for aftercare. I did not find tuition info on the Lisa Kampner web site. Lisa Kampner is Orthodox so you might need to be Jewish to attend.

    I'm not "pitching" any of these in particular, just saying they may be viable options if you are not satisfied with your public assignment. I have heard from many people that if you are transferring from out of district (including from private school in SF), it's a lot easier to get the SFUSD school of your choice than in the lottery.

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  86. Letters should be arriving today! Anyone receive early mail delivery?

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  87. this is painful! letter? anyone...please someone say they got theirs!

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  88. Gotta agree, debating whether to run home for lunch to check the mail. Someone give me a reason.

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  89. Got mine. One of my kids -- the older one -- got into Commodore Sloat as a transferee! The younger one is on the waitlist for the school. I guess now he will get a sibling preference.

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  90. Congratulations! Commodore Sloat is a wonderful school. I'm an Aptos parent and we have many CS families at Aptos (around the corner)--very nice community of folks.

    Yes, your younger one will now have sibling preference. How lucky that it was the older one who got in. Given that some folks just don't show up in almost every school almost every year, I'd say your chances are quite good.

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  91. killing time waiting for the mail.. its usually here by noon.

    movement in 1st grade:
    comparing the 4/5 to 4/30
    Buena Vista, Carmical, CIE, clarendon GE, Feinstein, Fairmount, Grattan, Lawton, Monroe SN, Stevenson all have one less on their waitlists. Fong Yu has 8 less! Taylor has 5 less between their three pools. Only two showed increases (of 1) Alamo and Marshall. And (drumroll please) Lilienthal and Miraloma (our dream) showed a 2 less...

    so where is that darned mailman?

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  92. 11:09, are the poster that has been trying to move for 4 years? Congrats on Sloat. It's been on both our R1 and R2 lists. We loved it. And yes, your 2nd child should show up on the April 30 WP list in the sibling WP, all the way at the top. Good luck!

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  93. we just got our letter. We did not get anything on our amended list/wp! What I did get was a letter telling me that they are keeping me in the wp! I am happy that I got a letter telling me that information instead of me standing around wondering if I was the only one in the world who did not get a letter! GOOD LUCK to EVERYONE today!

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  94. i forgot some on the 1st grade movement... flynn ge, glen park and vis valley ge cleared their waitlists of 1 and longfellow cleared their list of 3. Yick Wu shows 2 less but 1 added sibling.

    So a total of 32 1st grade spots cleared, ant idea why so many?

    When I went to register at Monroe, the Principle was surprised since as far as she knew her classes were full... maybe they are adding one extra per class in the anticipation that one may not come back in the fall? seems a bit risky if the Ks are already at 22.

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  95. There are no harships approved for our grade/school, so we figured ours was not granted. But if your hardship was approved and they were able to place you, then would it not show up on the WP list? Anybody know? Could it be that perhaps it was granted and we were already placed? So the fact that there are no hardhip approvals now on the post R2 WP list, could mean that there aren't any approved hardships that they weren't able to place? I've suddenly got hope again. Please somebody tell me what you know. THX! My mail doesn't come until 4pm.

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  96. That's a hard question. I noticed for our WP school choice there are no listings for hardship appeals. I had initially assumed that that meant those students were placed. But then I did notice there was an increase in the number of students in the "Round 1 Choice Received" category--an increase of 4 students. So sorry, that didn't help much, but just increase speculation. Good Luck today! It's only a few more hours!

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  97. does anyone know if there is going to be class size increase or if they are going to take furlough days? if the decision has not been made does anyone know when that will be?

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  98. My friend got Flynn GE! No SI though, which is what she wanted most of all. Still, it's better than 0/14. It must be brutal out there for English-dominant SI spaces.

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  99. We didn't get our 1rst grade wait pool choice. Anybody else have good first grade news?

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  100. Received SF Public Montessori School. Any thoughts/feedback? We were planning on doing private school, but are intrigued by this as an option.

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  101. Take it! You got a rare spot at the K level. It's a wonderful program, the real deal, a true Montessori program. Did I mention, for free?

    Will be relocating to Jackson Street as you probably know already.

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  102. went 0/7 in first round and did not register at assigned school. waitpooled a dream school (no movement really)and filled out an amended list with 7 schools. got my letter and got nothing! i did not even get a new assignment. im confused. is this normal? can someone clarify?

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  103. We got Starr King GE off of our amended list, but will stay on the CIS wait list. Does anyone know if they filled their native spots?

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  104. "went 0/7 in first round and did not register at assigned school. waitpooled a dream school (no movement really)and filled out an amended list with 7 schools. got my letter and got nothing! i did not even get a new assignment. im confused. is this normal? can someone clarify?"

    Not sure about last year, but in the previous two years, there was a notice in your Round 1 letter (I believe in bold face letters) that if you didn't register at your assigned school, you would risk not having an assignment if you didn't get anything in Round 2 or off the wait pool. This was also made quite clear in the enrollment guides for those two years. So unless there has been some major change I'm not aware of, no assignment is made in Round 2 for people who got a Round 1 choice and didn't register and who got nothing in Round 2.

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  105. 1:20, I'm sorry for your continued difficulties.

    In answer to your question, they only offer a default assignment (one not on your list) in round one. After that, they only make assignments from the list or pool you choose. Since you chose not to register at your original assigned school, that means you currently have no assignment.

    At this point, you have several options:

    * Within SFUSD, you can continue to waitpool. You'll need to decide how much you want to hold out for that "dream school" with little movement so far. It's actually very possible that there will be movement in the 5-day count in August, but you'll have to have nerves of steel to wait that out. Every year we hear of dozens of people getting that call....but can you stand it?

    * You could also choose to waitpool a less popular school in the next round. However, you should know that there is often little movement in the waitpools in general over the summer, until the 5-day count is complete. But it could happen.

    * Separate from the waitpool process, you can seek an assignment through Open Enrollment when they open that up on June 1. Be sure to get to EPC early on that day! Also look over the list of schools that are likely to have spots open--schools like Rosa Parks JBBP, maybe Glen Park, maybe Junipero Serra. These are examples of schools that have something good going on that are not oversubbed. There is a big difference between them and some of the ones on the very bottom--really. Be prepared to leap at one of these! These spots do disappear in Open Enrollment. By grabbing one, you'll have *something* even while waitpooling for something you want more.

    * Look for other backup--private for-profit or non-profit; parochial; move to another district; consider holding your kid out of K or doing transitional K year (depending on the needs/age of your child).

    Good luck!

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  106. 12:51, Flynn GE is way better than 0/14 or 0/15! The IB program is one the move there. And now she can waitpool for SI while still having a decent spot. Hooray!

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  107. We got Flynn GE. Is this awful? Good? I don't know what to think.

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  108. FYI, according to Rachel Norton's website, Flynn IB will likely feed into ISA MS/HS in Potrero Hill which is currently God-awful.

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  109. Flynn GE = good!

    Nice community, will likely draw from Bernal in the future in new SAS. International Baccalaureate program is taking off. Parent community is active. Teachers are great. Lovely building, close to Precita. Cesar Chavez St. will be getting a makeover soon (more green).

    At the very LEAST, grab this spot and waitpool at your preferred school. You'll have a good school in your pocket and that will lower your stress over the summer.

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  110. That is SIX years down the road, and a lot will change in the new system--as will the schools themselves. Six years ago Aptos was considered god-awful too.

    My understanding is that the new system will include a lottery option for people who don't like their middle school assignment. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

    In the meantime, don't turn down Flynn GE based on this rumor that will only matter years from now.

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  111. 1:20 - Good advice from 1:38. When open enrollment comes up, realize that "getting there early" means really really pre-dawn early. Last year I was there at 5am and was about 20th in line. The people at the front were there at 2am.

    Your only hope is to be one of those first few. If there are any openings at a school that's not a crime scene, they'll be taken quickly.

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  112. Yes, don't turn down a good placement at Flynn GE now because of rumors about middle school. Even if your waitpool scool doesn't materialize, you've now got 6 years to consider private/parochial, moving, a middle school lottery, etc. And if you are in Potrero Hill and still CTIP 1, which some of it is now, you could end up with your choice of middle schools.

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  113. 0/14. marin here we come.

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  114. We got Glen Park. Can't say I'm happy since it wasn't one of our original (0/7) choices but we waitpooled it thinking it was our best shot and it's close to home. Hope I don't regret this.

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  115. Round I went 0/7. Registered at assigned school, participated in WP and amended list. Just received letter. Did not get WP or any from amended list. Still assigned to registered school.

    I have to contradict what others have said about not having an assigned school. I just read neighbor's letter. They were 0/7 Round I, did NOT register at assigned school, did not get WP or amended list schools today, and letter reassigned them to same school where they chose not to register.

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  116. 2:55, there's a parents' group connected with Glen Park....a group of families that entered last year. I encourage you to call them and see what is up. Much better to have real conversations with real people about what is going on there.

    My guess is that Glen Park will see a lot of change in the next few years with the new SAS. I suspect a leadership change is also coming. It's certainly a wonderful location and nice old building with great views. Lots of potential.

    Good luck!

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  117. Got our letter and we got into our WP list middle school of Aptos. Very happy here!

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  118. 0/14 here too. debating whether ... as a single mom ... i want to play 'chicken' w/SFUSD and hold out for my waitlist school ... even if it means waiting a week or two into the school year, or just give up and move to berkeley, where @ least i'm guaranteed one of the three schools in the zone i live in. so depressing.

    I have to recontradict the person re: being school-less. Our assigned school was Rosa Parks (gen) I didn't enroll. We were not reassigned the same school ... we just have a letter saying we're in the waitpool for our neighborhood school, or can participate in open enrollment.

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  119. 3:06--welcome to Aptos! My kid is very happy there.

    I hope you can make it to "Step Up Saturday"--at 10am, this Saturday May 8. BBQ to follow on the yard.

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  120. Just got our letter. We were assigned to our waitpool school - Peabody. Very relieved and happy here.

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  121. Got Miraloma (1st grade)! Off to register.

    I'm not sure why or how we lucked out but I'm so glad we did.

    oops, posted this and didn't make it past the word verification.

    back now, registered and ready for fall!

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  122. SFMOM--are you the same sfmom from before, who started with R2 last year? .... so glad for your happy ending, and new beginning.

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  123. Congratulations SFMOM and Peabody!

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  124. 3:22 - Congratulations to you! Are you June, the person who wrote the Peabody review? I've been keeping my fingers crossed for her. We're also hoping to get into the Peabody wait pool (won't know until after work tonight).

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  125. O/14 this year =/ Not unexpected, but still, the disappointment is all the same. I was honestly hoping for the luck that SFMOM had with Miraloma (getting mad at myself for not trying for Miraloma! It was between that and my current WP school) but now I'm just depressed because my 1st grade WP had no movement at all...

    I moved to SF from Daly City but have been commuting my daughter to her Daly City K because I didn't want to uproot her in the middle of the school year. Now I'm reconsidering moving back to the burbs instead of commuting. Her school's not that bad, but the 30min drive to Daly City is... and being on the WP for a school with no movement thus far, I'm really giving up hope on my hometown of SF =/

    Does anyone know of any Cinderella stories for 1st Grade WPs for any top tier schools?

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  126. we got nothing, again. 0/14. no one should ever have to go through this. this random game that holds our children captive. we should be thinking about what is best for our kids--not where they got in or where we hope they will get in 10 days after school starts. why did my friend's sister who lives in a 2 million dollar house get rooftop and we got nothing? this system is unjust and random. the worst part is watching my friends who live in the suburbs just walk right into their neighborhood school and sign up their child for kindergarten. that is how it should be. not this crap.

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  127. 3:49, may I ask, why only "top-tier" schools? There are plenty of good SF schools that rival Daly City's. What neighborhood are you in?

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  128. 3:50, I totally agree. This city sucks. It's especially depressing to see people cheer getting into schools that are crappy by any normal standards. ugh.

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  129. 3:50, I'm sorry, and I know this doesn't help you now, but the system for next year is supposed to provide more certainty. Which will be great for those who love their assigned schools, and scary for those who don't. There is no perfect way to set up this chessboard so that everyone is happy. Hopefully the new system will at least not be so chaotic so late in the season.

    The joy and challenge of urban living is the socio-economic diversity---which totally freaks middle class parents out when it comes to education. The upside and downside of suburban living is homogeneity--so there are fewer fights over which school is best--but so monochrome.

    You do have some options left--waitpool, open enrollment....not all the not-top-tier schools are so awful, especially for one year of K. They can be really sweet, like Sheridan, or Glen Park (which will be coming up in the new system), or Rosa Parks.

    Anyway, good luck.

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  130. We were 0/7. Register at first round assigned school Sheridan just in case. Amended list for round II plus waitpool De Avilla CIS. Got letter today assigned to CIS K class- target language speaker. Happy with the outcome.

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  131. 3:51, I'm hoping that hearing a Cinderella Story about a top tier would give me hope for my WP choice and movement on WP lists. SFMOM getting Miraloma was actually a little inspiring. Crossing my fingers for the May WP!
    My neighborhood school is Guadalupe, which isn't terrible, but isn't for us.

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  132. Congrats, 3:59!

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  133. 3:59, what about Jose Ortega GE? Strong little community, great principal, active parents, wonderful arts program being built up. And great ocean views too.

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  134. I wanted to offer a reason for why it seems that families coming from private get placed more than families from the district when it comes to 1st grade, 2nd grade, etc.

    A family coming from private has nothing to loose by listing 7 schools, whereas a family within the district usually lists less than 7 because they want to keep the school they are at.

    The families that listed 7 and got 0 are then in the highest cohort and will get placed before those that listed less than 7. If you look at the waitlist for 1st grade, Miraloma, there were 2 families in the 0/7 cohort. It looks like 2 families were then placed in round II (SFMOM from private was one of them).

    Does this make sense?

    related question - how do you fill-out the form for 1st grade if you want to transfer but want to hold on to your existing school as well?

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  135. When are the 0/14 shirts going to be available? We're staying on the waitpool train. But we are still registered at Junipero Serra, a good back-up. I'm curious how other JS families that were waitpooling fared.

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  136. Welcome to Glen Park! We are a kindergarten family (soon to be first grade - sniff sniff) and we have no regrets now though we had some trepidation going in.

    We will be having a kindergarten welcome day at school June 8th (I think - the school will be sending out an invitation soon) so you'll have a chance to meet the teachers, some of the other new families and some PTO members. In the meantime, if you have questions - please feel free to page me here or contact PPSSF (I'm one of the parent ambassadors for the school) - I've been keeping an eye out for the people who might be coming our way to help answer questions.

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  137. 3:59 - De Avilla CIS

    How were you not placed at De Avilla CIS if you are a target language speaker? I am confused as I thought they did not fill target language speakers in round I

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  138. 3:35, Hi there, 3:22 here (not June). I will keep my fingers crossed that you get good news in your letter when you get home this evening. Good luck!

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  139. If you are registered at a school with a waitpool list and know that you are not going to attend, please remove yourself from the list. I know two families who are moving out of the city who are registered at SF schools (and one of those schools is a "top tier" school). Give up the spot please.

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  140. After going 0/7 the first round we got into Star King as a native Mandarin speaker. Good luck to everyone who is still waiting.

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  141. I am the SFMOM from last year, who started in Round II due to missing the paperwork deadline.

    While in the office to register, I saw the list for Miraloma, there were a few 3rd and 4th graders as well as three 1st graders (1 from Round I). There were five people still to register from Round II.

    I can only say we got into Miraloma by luck. There was no plan except that was the school we've wanted for the past three years.

    I really feel for families who do not have a school that makes you look forward to next year. I can only say keep trying and try to take things one deadline at a time.

    best of luck

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  142. Hi - June here. We actually decided to play it safe and waitpool Lafayette, not Peabody (liked them both equally - only start time was preferable at Peabody). The letter just came - we got in :-) Very very happy. Though sad for people who are still in this hell. I will probably post my last post shortly.

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  143. June, congratulations! I'm so happy for you. I'm glad you had a happy ending.

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  144. We got our waitpool school - C. Sloat. Very excited, though a bit daunted by the extra commute. But we registered at our assigned school "just in case" after round I. Now I'm not sure where our original assignment paperwork is. Does anyone know what happens if I can't find it? Can I get it back from our originally registered school? Can I get a copy from EPC? It never ends... I feel ridiculous when so many people got bad news, but I desperately need advice here.

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  145. 4:08 Re: CIS

    We didn't list CIS on the first round. After going 0/7 we look around for other schools to put on our list for round II and find CIS to be a good choice especially we prefer immersion over GE. Another choice we put down was Star King Mandarin Immersion. What I understand from the discussions here and visiting the school about CIS is the spaces for target language speakers were held back in round I to meet the ratio of 13 & 9 at the end. The spaces they gave away before round I are for English native speaker. This is what I heard.

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  146. 4:45, the original school should have a copy.

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  147. We got our letter and said that "Your child will stay in waiting pool...". We didn't register the assigned school since it was far from our home.

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  148. 4:51, you are correct--that is what happened. So glad for you and for the school that your child will be at CIS.

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  149. 4:53 in the waitpool with no assignment--in addition to waitpooling, be sure to check out the Open Enrollment on June 1 for open spots. And be there EARLY.

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  150. 4:55pm Thank you for your reminder. You are so nice!

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  151. Listed all immersion schools in Round I and went 0/7. (Assigned Junipero Serra; did not register.) Listed Starr King Mandarin as waitpool school and got assigned in Round II.

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  152. I'm curious if anybody got one of the schools on their amended choice...or if it's strictly wait pool choice that people got the school they wanted...0/14 here.

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  153. To the Mandarin-native-speaker parent, that's a BIG glitch. You should have gotten into Starr King in the first round if you applied there, as we didn't fill our Mandarin slots. Sorry you had to go through this. We're going to sit down with the District in the fall and see if we can get them to stop turning away Mandarin-speaking kids, it's a real problem and shouldn't be happening.
    To everyone who got into MI in Round II, come on over to http://miparentscouncil.org/
    to sign up for the various lists and say hi.

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  154. 5:19: because the amended lists are run after the waitpools, they function primarily as a way to trade up to an acceptable choice without having to give up a higher, waitpool choice (since once you get the waitpool choice, that's it, you are done).

    In other words, R2 is useful if you got a school you hate hate hate and you want to find something more acceptable. In that case, go ahead and list X, Y, Z under-subbed but decent school. Junipero Serra, Rosa Parks, Sheridan, Jose Ortega GE would all be good ideas for R2. But don't expect to get into any school in R2 that won't be clearing their waitpools. The utility of R2 is to find an acceptable choice, but it won't be a popular one.

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  155. Beth, I'm not sure from reading the post that the parent actually did list Starr King MI in round one. Sounded to me like SK and CIS became options for them in Round 2 when they realized they could get in as native speakers and that these were good schools. I only mention that because it is not clear to me that there was a glitch. It would be very good to find out either way.

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  156. I'm so sorry to everyone who didn't get into their preferred school (yet!)

    Does anyone know how to remove themselves from the waitpool list? Do I have to go to EPC?

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  157. We got our waitpool, Revere Immersion. Had registered at our assigned school, JSerra.

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  158. @ 6:11: did you get your wait pool school choice? if yes, you're automatically removed from the list I believe. If you got one of your choices from your amended list of 7 schools, then you need to contact EPC and ask them to remove you from the wait pool list.

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  159. Got 2 letters. Family appeal denied. No WP or Round 2 assignment.Am registered at Round 1 school. Will stay in WP for the summer.

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  160. Anyone get off WL for Clarendon, Lillenthal or Rooftop?

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  161. we got our family hardship approved and received our wait pool school.
    thank goodness!

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  162. 0/14 here. Was assigned Jose Ortega GE and enrolled but holding out for something closer to home.

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  163. Being assigned a popular and desirable school like Jose Ortega does NOT count as 0/14.

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  164. Hi 8:42. Jose Ortega seems like a great school and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But it is really far from us, and we did in fact get 0/14.

    Let's support each other with kindness. Best of luck everyone.

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  165. Ok - finally got my round 2 letter only to be told that they cannot offer me an assignment because I have not presented all the required documentation.

    Yes I have ! Twice already! Third time lucky?

    I didn't receive my round 1 letter. I went over there and was told that I needed to provide proof of address again just to get a copy of my letter ( and no , a drivers license , bank statement , mortgage statement is not valid). I had to go home and go back there again with the required documentation . All for the pleasure of being told that we were assigned John Muir.
    Today I opened my round 2 letter with grim resignation- I wasn't really expecting good news. But I was at least expecting an answer. Instead I have to go back over there tomorrow to show them everything for the third time.
    Really , is this a good use of resources?

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  166. 4:04 - I believe a family coming from out of the district (e.g. attending private school, or moving to SF) gets priority over someone trying to transfer from within the district, regardless of how many choices they list. They give the family new to SFUSD an assignment before they let current SFUSD families change schools. Can someone confirm?

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  167. 9:01--generally that is true *within the school year, once school has started.* However, for getting a spot through the lottery it is just lottery luck factored by diversity index. You are treated the same whether coming from within or outside the system. The issue is there are just not so many spots open in the non-transitional grades.

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  168. I saw our mail person and ran to get the mail which came earlier than usual...no letter! Anyone else still waiting?

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  169. 6:11 here.

    No, we didn't get our waitpool choice, but we just decided enough is enough and we're going with our original assignment.

    Do we have to go to the EPC to pull ourselves off the waitpool list, or is there an easier, less brutal approach?

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  170. 9:08 , I think this means your letter has been lost and you need to go over there to get a copy.
    This happened to me in round 1, see post above.
    BEWARE: When you go over there you will need to provide ID and proof of address again. Look at the website to see up to date requirements because they will NOT cut you any slack just because the letter was lost.

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  171. For 1st grade: the other important factor is your "sending school" (for those coming from public). If the school your child attended in kindergarten has a low API score, you have preference in assignment over just about everyone (technically you are guaranteed more choice under No Child Left Behind). So families that take the assignment to a school like Rosa Parks or Sheridan for K then have a better chance for 1st grade.

    I still think most first grade movement happens in the early summer and right before school starts --don't give up! Some good bets for 1st grade WP are Feinstein and Lilianthal -- both have many families who traditionally leave after kindergarten.

    Good luck!

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  172. Sheridan's API is 833. And Rosa Parks' 713 isn't low enough to be considered low-performing either.

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  173. ^9:50, true about sending school having low API.

    Except that Sheridan has an statewide API rank of 7 and similar schools rank of 10. It's a really nice school, too.

    By comparison, Alvarado is also a 7, with a similar schools rank of 8.

    Sheridan would be a good school to look for in Open Enrollment, along with Junipero Serra. You can still waitpool for your top choice, but know you have a decent school to fall back on. Any kid will have a fine K year at these schools.

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  174. Congratulations and welcome to sfmom who got 1st grade Miraloma. We are currently in K and loving it. There were twins that left to go back to Europe recently in a K class. Those are the only 1st grade spots I know that may have opened up! It's a wonderful school, so rich with an amazing teacher and parent community.

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  175. got 0/14 too. :( got assigned a school we never even considered, have heard good things about it, but it doesn't work for our commute to work and for the future, since it feeds into the wrong middle school.

    i'm just wondering why I should settle for that? what am i supposed to do now? scream? cry? fight them? all the schools in my neighborhood, were given to people outside my neighborhood. how am i supposed to feel about this? it's so frustrating.

    I am really happy and envious of the people that got their choices. good luck all!

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  176. Still wait-pooled at our top pick (a nice school half a block away) but we did get our #1 round 2 program, Rosa Parks JBBP. We were 0/7 and assigned to Tenderloin Community.

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  177. I read all of these comments taking about what middle school the elementary feeds into. I do not believe this information has even been determined by the SFUSD yet. Why are people making decisions based on speculation?

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  178. we listed mckinley and did not get it for our WP. we'll keep trying to get it !

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  179. i have heard that SF Montessori is an amazing school - I would check it out. How did you get in? I didn't think EPC worked that one right. People love it who have had it at Cobb and it's at such a nice new building now. How great for your child to be in the first public montessori in CA and quite groundbreaking even for the country. I think the school will be able to get a lot of support.

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  180. Where are people finding this info on middle school feeders? Someone mentioned Rachel Norton's blog, but I can't find anything there on it.

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  181. There is no information from SFUSD about middle school feeders. Speculation and rumor are not fact.

    And worrying about a particular middle school 6 years before enrollment seems an unnecessary waste of energy to me. A middle school that is unacceptable now may be coveted by the time our Kindergartners are in 6th grade.

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  182. "All elementary schools will feed into a particular middle school. At the beginning of the enrollment
    process, SFUSD fifth graders will receive an initial assignment offer to a middle school based on the
    elementary school they attend."

    taken from: http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/Key%20Features_April%2026%202010.pdf

    I think it's a fair thing to consider when you are looking into K and for the future and sanity of your family. Everyone has their process for figuring out what school you want your child to attend.

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  183. But right now, there's no way to know which elementary schools will feed into which middle schools. Who knows how the district will make decisions, particularly if they are interested in increasing diversity.

    Just because your elementary school sits right next to a middle school doesn't necessarily mean that's the middle school that elementary will feed into. I'm simply saying that making decisions today based on unknown speculation could surely lead to disappointment later.

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  184. Don't forget that a middle school, because it's only a three-year school, can turn around really fast (barring intractable obstacles). And as a parent in a K-5 school, you have the opportunity to get to know many, many parents whose kids are in the grades ahead of yours, which allows you a window on the middle school options, how the enrollment process is working for them, how the feeder school setup is going, and so forth. It's not like you're in the dark for 6 years and then launched suddenly into a mysterious new process. Your child's classmates will have older sibs going through it; you will have ample opportunity to keep a close eye.

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  185. Regarding out of district getting priority over in-district transfers...

    I have not seen a "policy" written anywhere. However, it's a fact that each school district gets funding from the state based on each student enrolled. So it's in the best interest of each school district (financially) to increase the number of students enrolled. So it would makes sense that SFUSD would give an out of district/private school student his/her top choice to try to get them to enroll in district (to try to get additional funding).

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  186. I think out of district transfers can pick any open seat mid-year, but in the lottery you're the same as anybody else. You're trying for non-K and the overall applicant pool is much smaller, but you also are frequently required to ride out the 10-day count (or 5-day count or whatever it's going to be) in August if the grade you want at the school you want is full in February and April when they run the lottery draws.

    We registered at our Round 1 school, which we listed but now don't want, and got a letter saying that they could not offer us our wait pool school or anything off our Round 2 list so we remain assigned to our Round 1 school. There was a green letter accompanying the white assignment letter, which is informative on a variety of subjects, including how future wait pools will be run and how to remain in or withdraw from the wait pools.

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  187. We got that green letter too. Did you notice how it said they would run another waitpool in May OR June. The published info on the website says they will run it in May AND June. Am I reading too much into this or is it a change? Instead of running 2 times, once in May and again in June, are they now saying it will only be done one more time in May or June?
    http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/WP%20Key%20Dates.pdf

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  188. 9:24, we are in the same boat. Got our last choice school and should not have listed it. There are 7 0/7s ahead of us in the WP and then several of us in the 1/7 cohort. I don't think we've got much of a chance. Looks like we can change our WP by May 14 for the next waitpool running.

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  189. Perhaps in the future it will make sense to pick an elementary school based on the middle school it feeds into, but it is such an unknown now as to be almost meaningless.

    * They have not drawn the maps yet. With elementary, they are promising continguous assignment boundaries; not so with middle school. Rumors are not fact--there are a LOT of factors to deal with in drawing these maps.

    * Some of the feeder school assignments will be based on specific programs, for example, language immesion.

    * There are other special programs under consideration for development in middle school, such as International Baccalaureate (of special interest for Flynn families whose kids will have gone through the primary program for IB); and also an arts track designed to prepare kids for SOTA--I've heard that is under consideration for Horace Mann, but again, all this could change.

    * Middle schools can change quickly because of turnover and sibling preference not being a big factor. In the 1990s, Horace Mann was on people's lists. Not so right now. Aptos was considered chaotic and a poor choice eight years ago, but is now challenging the traditional west side powerhousees in test scores and popularity.

    * The new system itself, and the stability and comfort it brings with families who know each other feeding into it, will itself bring big changes to a number of schools. This year's K class will have the benefit of several years to see these changes. It's the current 4th grade families that are the guinea pigs for the new system.

    A lot will change between now and 6th grade! Don't borrow worry and trouble.

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  190. @5:19 - "I'm curious if anybody got one of the schools on their amended choice...or if it's strictly wait pool choice that people got the school they wanted..."

    Yes, we got our 2nd choice from our amended school list and we're still on the WP list for another school. Our 1st & 3rd choices on our amended school list were possible, but unlikely unless there was a lot of WP movement. The rest of our amended schools list (including our 2nd choice) were schools that generally didn't have WPs. We were 0/7 during round 1.

    It's a relief having been able to trade up to a school we are okay with--it gives us a little more flexibility on our WP school now that we don't have to be as critical about making sure we get something. We are thinking about changing it to our original top round 1 choice.

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  191. "There are other special programs under consideration for development in middle school, such as International Baccalaureate (of special interest for Flynn families whose kids will have gone through the primary program for IB)"

    IB in Flynn is great, but as the plans are for International Studies Academy to offer an IB curriculum and Flynn to feed into that. IAS would have to do some serious turn-around for that to be an attractive option. Being a feeder to IAS would hurt Flynn, in the current situation.

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  192. It's a relief having been able to trade up to a school we are okay with--it gives us a little more flexibility on our WP school now that we don't have to be as critical about making sure we get something. We are thinking about changing it to our original top round 1 choice.

    You played R2 just right--"traded up" to a non-WP school that is nevertheless acceptable to you, thus giving yourselves more psychological room to WP a longer shot.

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  193. IB in Flynn is great, but as the plans are for International Studies Academy to offer an IB curriculum and Flynn to feed into that. IAS would have to do some serious turn-around for that to be an attractive option. Being a feeder to IAS would hurt Flynn, in the current situation.

    Not saying this WILL happen, but it CAN happen. If the school commits to the IB accreditation process, then Flynn IB families can band together to go there and work on it together, as they have already at Flynn. Flynn itself was a non-starter for families until a few years ago, and now look at it. Pioneer families can do this, as they have done at Aptos, Lick, Flynn, Alvarado, Fairmount, Ortega, Starr King, Webster, Grattan, Miraloma, etc etc. There is strength in a group, and strength in the fact that they already know each other and the IB program.

    Even if you are not a pioneer type, which is fine, you may be able to benefit in six years' time. A middle school turnaround could be well underway by that point. The middle school landscape now is very different than it was in 2003 or 2004. It will change again by 2016, especially with new assignment patterns and new programs offered.

    Obsessing about what it looks like now is a bad bet--sort of like selling stocks when the market is low and buying when it is high. Savvy parents jump on the bandwagons when they are swinging up--it's how families got into Alvarado and Miraloma before they hit the big time in the lottery. You have to read the signs, like which programs are coming in, where the parental buzz is, etc. ISA could be doing very well in a few years.

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  194. Next year I'll have both my kids at Aptos. When my oldest was in kindergarten, it seemed really 'scary'. Part of that was just because middle school kids looked huge to me then, and part of it was that I didn't know anyone at the school. Part of it was that the school changed during that time as well attracting a wider variety of kids from the neighborhood and all over.

    For many years Aptos has been a fine choice - and is getting better all the time.

    Of course, when my oldest started at Miraloma eight years ago, most thought THAT was a bad choice, too! How quickly things can change.

    I'm certain Horace Mann will become the next great middle school in SFUSD - especially with the efforts of principal Mark Sanchez.

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  195. I have a question:

    We didn't get any of our choices on our amended choice list. (We registered at the school we got in April.) The new letter says we are in the waitpool for our waitpool school. Do we have to go down to SFUSD and affirmatively put in for the waitpool again by May 14th, or do we just sit tight now and do nothing? I tried calling SFUSD but no one is answering.

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  196. You sit tight for now. You'll stay in the waitpool until July. You'll then receive another letter from SFUSD (if you haven't yet been placed in your WP school). You will be asked to call, write or fax SFUSD between July 1 and 23 to let them know you want to continue in the WP.

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  197. If I'm, say 10, in an 0/7 WP cohort, what order do they go by if spots open up? I know appeals go first before 0/7, but if 0/7 is up next, how do they determine who in the 0/7 WP gets selected? Do any factors come in play besides maybe the gender ratio?

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  198. 1:38 here, sorry but just to clarify, I meant in a cohort of 10 people of 0/7ers.

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  199. 1:39, I'm pretty sure gender ratio is not a consideration at all. The waitpool is just that, a pool, and they are drawing by random from each cohort as it comes up. So in pool of 10 with no cohort ahead of yours, you have a 10% chance of snagging a spot if it comes up. If there are people cohorts ahead of yours, then that many spots would have to come open before you even get a shot.

    Movement will likely be slow over the summer and then there will probably be a few spots at the beginning of the year. At that point your chances do go up, because people will get the call but decline the offer. So if you are determined, you could get lucky. No guarantees, but I've seen offers go out year after year.

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  200. @ 1:38 I believe the same divesity factor kicks in within your same cohort of 10. So depending on the school you're all going for, the diversity factors will kick in and weigh each 10 applicants and rank each 1 accordingly. So you're still competing against the diversity factors and the other 9 applicants' profile vs. yours. So it's not an equal shot in a sense for each of the 10 applicants.

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