Saturday, May 1, 2010

New wait pool list

The district has posted a new wait pool list.

Here's a link:

http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/WP_Cohorts%20FOR%20WEB%20%204_30_10%20F.pdf

63 comments:

  1. Thanks for the post. Feel sorry for those 21 0-7s (if their child's native language is English) that put CIS as their wait pool choice (based on stuff I read in earlier posts). That seems like a waste of your top pick. Guess all the AFY hopefuls are now putting their hope into getting in at CIS. Good luck everyone today with the offer letters!

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  2. Looks like EPC have been reading this blog? For the immersion schools, there's now a code for both the target language and a separate one for non-target language applicants! See K info for West Portal (CE, CN, GE).

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  3. yes, good on EPC to differentiate between target and non-target finally. So do these numbers reflect spaces left after people get their letters or before?

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  4. 9:32, I think after.

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  5. it makes sense that these numbers are after the assignments have gone out...the total wait pool numbers look quite a bit less than the 4/5 list.

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  6. Looks like quite a few people got into our waitpool school in Round II. We went 0/7 in Round I and have no back-up plan. We don't have our letter yet. I hope, I hope, I hope!

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  7. What does it mean if a school is not listed at all for a particular grade ? No wait list ?

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  8. Hi, I was wondering if someone knows more about this than me: If the numbers are pretty much the same than those from 4/5 for my waitpool school, does that mean there was no movement? Also, does anyone know if the district put the increased classroom sizes (yikes) in effect yet and if this waitpool reflects that?

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  9. 10:37: that is correct. no listing equals no wait list. which could mean it is exactly full or that it actually has some spaces--that will become more clear in open enrollment. going into open enrollment, you should keep those schools in mind! you may be asked to jump at a spot at rosa parks jbbp, yick wo, or harvey milk ....

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  10. Over 700 wait requests remain for K. Surprisingly, almost 600 wait pool requests remain for high school. I guess it doesn't really get much easier.

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  11. are we assigned a waitlist number? people keep asking me that question. does anyone know that answer?

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  12. no waitlist number...it is a pool

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  13. Thanks @ 10:43. Be still my heart, dare I hope that things are looking up? No letter today. Guess it's wait & find out Monday. Sigh.

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  14. Why don't they post the number that were moved into a school between R1 and R2? All I see are those who got in during R1...and those who are still waiting. Am I missing something?

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  15. The high school numbers make my heart sink. Our friends are moving to Marin for high school because they got Mission and live in the Sunset. We are considering moving now, in 4th grade, instead of suffering the same heartache a few years down the road!

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  16. 2:50, there is also Lowell (citywide, academic admissions) and SOTA (arts audition/portfolio admissions)....plus several schools well on their way up (Balboa, Galileo); and you can also consider a move to the lively Mission District for CTIP 1 status.

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  17. Anyone know when the waitpools are going to be dissolved? I'm assuming it will be after the 5 day count. It is a 5-day count this year, right?
    So if school starts on August 16, we should start getting calls on the 21st for no-shows, sooner if parents are contacted and say they won't be coming?

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  18. We wait pool on CIS for K. 4/5 WP showed 31 and 4/30 WP list showed 27. What is this mean? only 4 got in round II?

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  19. Remember that after the April 5th WP posting people could change their choice. So I don't think it's possible to really estimate the number of people who got in to a given school based on the difference between the April 30th and April 5th counts...

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  20. EPC told me that this list would be pre Round 2 letters

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  21. I'd be surprised if these are pre-R2 numbers. Take a look at the difference at Peabody which fits with rumors that there were 10 spots that opened up due to lack of registration.

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  22. To the person asking about when the lists are disolved....this year you'll need to confirm your waitpool request in the summer. They will offer spots after the 5 day count, but that may take a week or so.

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  23. Talk about torture. It sounds like hardly anyone got any letters for R2 this Saturday. It looks like there was some movement at the middle school we are on waitlist for. BUT there are 36 students left on the waitlist after R2 placement.
    Talk about mental torture!

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  24. what happened to the AFY wait pool - did they add a class? the wait pool seems VERY low now.

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  25. I think afy is a mistake. Starr king numbers are very low too. My guess is a mistake for both

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  26. Whatever happened with class size increase? Did the district decide not to do them? The schools got revised budgets and were able to keep K size at 22, right?

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  27. I heard that class size was going up since they aren't doing the furlough days anymore. Anyone know?

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  28. Oh, I hadn't heard the furloughs were off. I'm not sure they are. I just checked Rachel Norton's blog and found this from the district " we have three days confirmed to meet with the teachers union and our state appointed mediator: April 29, May 4 and May 10. The District needs to determine the number of teachers who will receive final layoff notices by May 10 in order to follow all necessary procedures with the Board of Education and meet the State mandated May 15 notification deadline."
    So we should know by May 10 or May 15 if furlough days will be in the contracts or increased class size. For us seaking schools, this means if class size is increased, the spots could be available for the May 30 WP run.

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  29. Could class size go up to say, 25, even at the trophies that aren't losing teachers and aren't combining classes?

    That's what I'm hoping for, just a little increase.

    Altho' if my kid were already enrolled, I'd totally be against it.

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  30. Me too 10:37. I'm all for the increase so I can get in. But if I had gotten something in Round 1, I'd be against it. Same on the neighborhood school thing. I'm all for it b/c our school is good. If it sucked, I'd be against it. It's probably pretty true for most folks if they'd just admit it!

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  31. Also read posting on the round II letter. Somebody went down to EPC today to find out and was told the mail is going out TODAY due to delay. That only means we will not be getting letters until tomorrow the earliest.

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  32. I am still not clear if the WP list on 4/30is pre-round II assignment or post- round II assignment. Anybody know?? Thanks.

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  33. Post-round II assignment. There's just no way to explain some of the numbers otherwise.

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  34. What do these 3 columns mean?

    Round 1 7 Req. No Choice
    Round 1 No Choice
    Round 1 Choice

    Is being in one better than the other for waitpool success?

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  35. It's got to be be post. I know someone said EPC told them differently, but there must have been some sort of miscommunication or the EPC person was ill informed.

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  36. The desirable wait pool cohorts are, in order:
    1. siblings
    2. approved hardship appeals
    3. People who went 0/7 in Round 1
    4. People who listed fewer than 7 schools in Round 1 and got 0
    5. People who got a school they listed in Round 1.

    If there are a lot of people in your wait pool and you got a Round 1 choice, you are probably SOL. That's what I deserve for being so dumb as to list a relatively unpopular school in Round 1. I thought I was being cautious, but having revisited it, I really do not want my kid there, and I'm probably stuck with it. We're going parochial.

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  37. Oh 12:49, I did the same thing and have been kicking myself ever since I opened that letter and saw my 7th choice there. We have no parochial back up, didn't feel right about Catholic so we really are stuck. My husband and I had a long conversation about that 7th choice. We were either going to put it or Clarendon as a filler. In the end, we went the conservative route with the 2nd tier school b/c we knew we were going public, no matter what. But I now really think it was a poor decision. There were very few people in the 0/7 WP at the school we wanted, and had we gone 0/7 we probably would have gotten it in Round 2.

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  38. 1:11 - Stay in the waitpool and you may get it during the 10 day count. If there aren't many in the 0/7 waitpool, there probably aren't too many in the 1/7 waitpool either. The only other option is heading back to preschool for a couple of months to see if a spot opens up for you during the year.

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  39. Thx, 1:17, that is our plan, to wait it out all summer. We are completely ok with changing schools after school starts. I'm worried that 0/7 people will see the low waitpool co-hort at this school and switch over. since 0/7 always has higher priority, we'll continue to be in the lower co-hort. Or maybe 0/7s will not switch in and will take a spot somewhere in open enrollment. Maybe the 0/7s will not be able to wait out thru July and August. I'm just hoping some kid will move to Sweden and a spot will open for us.

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  40. Has anyone solidly CONFIRMED with EPC that these waiting pool numbers are pre or post round 2? Does this reflect how many people made changes during the one week where it was allowed to make a waitlist change? Or does this reflect the number of people left on the waitlist after processing round 2?

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  41. Surely the wait list is after round 2 assignments. Otherwise, why post it at all?

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  42. It's after. Sum the total number in the WP from the 4/5 list and the 4/30 list. There are fewer people on the 4/30 list b/c they were placed. It it was a pre-list it, the two would sum to the same number b/c after the March 26 deadline, you couldn't take un-submit your form.

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  43. Not confirmed with EPC but it has to be after, as we changed our wait pool school to a school that no longer appears on April 30 list. That said, it could be the list after waitpool run but not Round II.

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  44. The April 30th waitpool list shows the number of people still in the waitpools AFTER the Round II run.

    Anyone who got their waitpool school would have been taken off this list. Anyone who got a school from their amended list (but not their waitpool school) would still show up in the list. Unless they inform EPC they are happy with the school they have and no longer want to waitpool.

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  45. Confirmed by email today with Director that waitpool numbers are post Round 2

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  46. I don't see Glen Park on the waitpool list so people that listed it for Round II might have gotten a spot

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  47. Would it be correct to assume that if there are still siblings in the sibling column, there was no movement (or very little) on those school's waitlists?

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  48. to 9:40am...

    Family hardship is a higher co-hort than siblings. So it's possible that there were family hardships (or medical hardships) that were granted and were assigned ahead of siblings. Additionally, for immersion programs, target language ratios are filled prior to siblings. So it's possible to have movement even if sibling co-hort number stays the same.

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  49. There are no harships approved for our school, so we figured ours was not granted. But are you saying that perhaps it was granted and we were already placed? So the fact that there are no hardhip approvals now could mean that there aren't any approved hardships that they weren't able to place? I've suddenly got hope again.

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  50. Regarding siblings in the wait pool, it's possible that an older sib got into the school in Round 2, which would mean a sib might then be added to the wait pool.

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  51. Question: can you change your waitpool school? And, if you can, are you penalized for changing? Or do you just move to your same cohort in that waitpool?

    We are 0/14 @ this point but I listed Grattan as my waitpool. I'm wondering if it makes sense for me to change my waitpool school to another with a lower # of folks in the 0/7 waitpool, just to hedge my bets. Thoughts?

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  52. 1) Yes, you can move your WP school. There is a date before each WP "run" by which you have to do it for the change to be included in that run. Info available on www.sfusd.edu under enrollment.

    2) No, there is no penalty. Just do it by the date to be included.

    3) Yes, you move to the same cohort in the new pool.

    4) Yes, it makes sense to move to a school with a lower # of kids in the WP. Bear in mind that others may do the same, so the #s may shift, but....yeah, Grattan has a big WP. Odds aren't as great as at other schools that are actually quite lovely schools. The big calculation you have to make is weighing your tolerance for risk against need for a secure, acceptable pick. Usually this balance is informed by what kind of backup plan you do/do not have and how acceptable or affordable it is.

    Another thing--and this is just an anecdotal thing--I think there is more WP movement in the schools with higher anglo/white populations. The schools in the avenues don't move so much. I would guess the private school thing has more of an impact on Grattan than, say, Sunset. So it's not crazy to stay in Grattan--there probably will be movement--BUT you may have to wait it out well into the start of the school year.

    Hope I didn't just add to your confusion....good luck.

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  53. "Guess all the AFY hopefuls are now putting their hope into getting in at CIS."

    Yep - only 6 in the waitpool at AFY, and only one of those in the 0/7 cohort. It's possible there's a mistake, but I'd say it's more likely CIS has siphoned off their demand: AFY application numbers were down about 25% this year in Round 1. AFY has not added a class: there isn't the physical space on the campus to do so.

    West Portal's waitpool is also surprisingly small: the waitpool for it's GE program is smaller than McKinley's.

    "Starr king numbers are very low too. My guess is a mistake for both"

    SK has two immersion classes per year, versus JOES one per year. As the slots for Mandarin-speakers get released in R2, it's not that surprising that Starr King would end up with a lower waitpool number than JOES, especially as there's a lot of other immersion programs near Starr King, which is less the case for JOES.

    In general, the waitpool numbers look a lot less bad than I was expecting. Most waitpools outside of the trophy schools are <10 total, and even some of the trophies (AFY, WP) have smallish waitpools. Either a lot of people got good news over the past month, or there's been a lot of

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  54. thanks 5:52 -- incredibly helpful (and didn't add to confusion @ all ... it helped make my choices a lot more clear and let me realize i'm not locked in @ this point to just hoping/praying for the school two blocks from my house!)

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  55. FYI, you have until May 14 to change your WP for the next run.

    http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/WP%20Key%20Dates.pdf

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  56. Sorry, that should have been:

    Either a lot of people got good news over the past month, or there's been a lot of movement to the privates & burbs.

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  57. I know 3 families who just bought in the burbs - 2 in Marin, 1 in East Bay. The move prompted by their kids entering K.

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  58. "thanks 5:52 -- incredibly helpful (and didn't add to confusion @ all ... it helped make my choices a lot more clear and let me realize i'm not locked in @ this point to just hoping/praying for the school two blocks from my house!)"

    It's me, 5:52, again....

    Also want to remind you to take advantage of Open Enrollment on June 1. You can get a spot in OE and STILL waitpool for your preferred school. It will be easier to wait out the WP at Grattan if you have an acceptable (if not preferred) assignment somewhere else. Taking an OE assignment will not affect your 0/7 cohort status, which was set in R1.

    You didn't say if you enrolled in your assigned school from R1, and if it is acceptable to you. In any case, you may be able to "trade up" in OE, or just get something.

    No, it is not likely that you will get a trophy school in OE

    :-)

    .... but there may be some choices that to my mind are quite decent, even if not as convenient or desirable as those in your 'hood.

    For example:

    Often Rosa Parks JBBP is on the OE list, and that is a school with a wonderful parent base, a Japanese language/culture component--a sensei comes in to teach it--an African American culture component through the local jazz district, and a greening grant. It's also a school that isn't too too far from Cole Valley.

    * Junipero Serra, an often-overlooked school in Bernal (Noe side) with a wonderful principal, darling little garden, and quite reasonable test scores considering the demographic. Also, a group of parents from Bernal seem to be going there next year, so the middle class energy may be ramping up.

    * Jose Ortega GE, a lovely school in the SW with parental energy, arts program, great principal, wonderful loving community. Yeah, it's a trek from Cole Valley, but maybe one of you has a commute southwards? It would be a fine place for a year if you need it.

    * Sheridan, which overscores its demographics and has an interesting campus (real auditorium, not cafeteria!) and a devoted parent group. Also in the SW.

    * Webster GE, overlooked for its SI program, but the whole school is benefiting from parent energy right now. Great sunny location if one of you is heading to UCSF, the Bay Bridge, anywhere on the 280, or SOMA.

    I like Redding too, but I think the lack of after school care is an issue for most.

    In any case, plan to get to OE quite early. There was a line at 5am last year and some had been there since 2am.

    Good luck!

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  59. I also know someone who just bought what they characterize as the smallest house in Mill Valley. With 2 kids private is out of the question, and they have no use for the stress of the assignment process.

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  60. For Grattan WPooler, you might even get a K spot in open enrollment for New Traditions. They do not currently have a waitlist. It's a cute school and pretty close to Grattan.

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  61. Question: Can I change my wait pool to a school with no wait list then, if I get in, change my waitpool back to my current long shot immersion school after the waitpool run in the end of May?

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  62. 11:01 - No. Once you get your waitpool school, you're done. You can't waitpool, get in somewhere, and then waitpool somewhere else.

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  63. Your only chance of getting something now AND keeping your waitpool school is in Open Enrollment on June 1. You can go there, take a spot at a school that has openings, and then still keep your waitpool school.

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