Tuesday, May 18, 2010

Hot topic: releasing a public school spot

This from a reader:
My husband and I have decided to go with our Private School choice. Since we previously registered at our assigned Public School, we would like to release that spot before the 5/10-day count so that it can go to another family. How do we do this? We asked the school and they simply advised us to not show-up…but that means that another family has to wait before being assigned which makes no sense at all. Any thoughts? I know that there are other families who are doing Private School who are in the same situation.

32 comments:

  1. Just write a simple letter and give it tot the school or the EPC. It is thoughtful for you to do this and i wish more parents would who opt out of public schools. Not only do the schools lose money when attendance is down but the family that replaces you has to wait longer if you don't write that letter. It does need to be in writing. By the way, the old 10 day count is only 3 now with a change in that law.

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  2. Yes! Please fax or write to EPC and makes sure to include your childs name and let them know asap. There is still another placement round in June! And all summer EPC will place children. So, don't delay and thanks for following up - many families don't!

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  3. What school are you giving up a spot in?????? And thanks for doing this.

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  4. Thank you so much for bringing up this issue. We still DO NOT have a school assignment and are only in a wait pool for K. We would be very grateful if families could release their spots ASAP. It would be great if families could release their spots before May 28 (next wait pool run). Please encourage other private school families to release their spots this week. Please do not wait until the first week of school. We so appreciate this!

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  5. Does anyone know if releasing your spot at the school you registered at messes with your waitlist status? We will enroll my child in private school if we do not get out waitlist choice (we have already paid the deposit, etc). I want to release our spot, but I still want to stay on the waitlist. (btw - we are registered at Tenderloin Community, where is not over-subscribed).

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  6. I think you can release your seat at Tenderloin and stay in your WP. A quick call to EPC should confirm.

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  7. I have to say that I am APPALLED that the advice this poster received from the school was to just not show up on the first day of school. I hope EPC tells the schools that they should advise parents to notify EPC by fax immediately if they are not going to the school. I can only hope that this is an outlier school. I know that at our school, right about now, they put a note in parents' folders asking who is planning on not coming back next year. I therefore highly doubt my school would give such advice to a prospective K parent.

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  8. I wouldn't hold it against the school. My kid enters K in the fall. I've called the school 3 times to ask different things, office hours for dropping off application, etc. The secretary is clueless. She's rude and not helpful. But the school is supposed to be great. The parents I met at the welcome were nice and energized.

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  9. Does anyone know if you can release the spot by email (to someone at EPC)?

    I know of someone who is not going to take her assigned public school spot and she just can't seem to "get around" to releasing it. I want to make it really easy for her.

    Thank you so much to the original poster. Can you release the spot within the next week? There is another "round" in May (after Round 2 assignments). Any openings will be filled and letters will be sent out May 28.

    There are many desperate families out there, just waiting and hoping. Some are contemplating moving out of the city. Some are putting down deposits for private/parachial schools, which may be a financial hardship for them. Many are just agonizing about what to do next.

    And please let the other private school families know. Just imagine if your family was on the waitlist for your private school. Sometimes doing the right thing takes a little effort.

    Thanks again!

    Educational Placement Center (EPC)
    555 Franklin Street, Room 100
    San Francisco, CA 94102

    Phone: 241-6085
    Fax: 241-6087
    Office Hours: Monday-Friday 8 am-4:30 pm

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  10. 11:10 am -- I understand that not every school's front office person is up-to-snuff. However, I find it infuriating because I've known too many parents who decide on private school and then take a slow-poke approach to telling EPC that they are not going to come. Then there are those who think -- "Gee, what if my kid doesn't like X private school? I'll hold on to my seat at Rooftop's K class just in case" -- when they know all along that they are never going public because of the upfront deposits they have to give the private school! Very frustrating. They are hurting the public schools and, most importantly, hurting real families with no or little choices.

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  11. I just left a message at EPC and will be faxing in a letter releasing a spot at SF Public Montessori.

    I also know of a spot that will be opening-up at Lafayette (but probably not until the very end of summer), a spot at Peabody (same thing), and also a spot at Claire Lillienthal.

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  12. Praise Be 3:19! Kudos to you for releasing your spot early. And thanks for naming the schools where your friends will be giving up spots. Gives the rest of us hope!

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  13. These families holding on to spots at both private and publics, please do your civic duty and give up whatever spot you are going to give up so that one less family has to suffer while you wait.

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  14. If we are giving up a spot, should we just name the school here and see if we could go to EPC together so you can see if you can have the spot?

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  15. Oh, that is kind to offer to go to EPC together, but that won't work. They have a computer program for diversity, etc. that chooses what person to pull off the waitpool. And they run the program at certain points in the summer. They are doing one cycle now and the letters are mailed on May 28 (and new waitpool data posted online too).

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  16. I also know of a spot that may be opening up at Peabody (which I think is different from the spot that 3:19 mentions, unless 3:19 is actually a friend of mine). We will make our decision re: Peabody by the end of the month (and if we give it up, we will make sure the school and EPC knows). I also know of two possible Lafayette spots. Both of these families will make their decisions in the next week or two and are very responsible families, who I'm sure will contact both the school and the EPC.

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  17. Thank you to anon for info regarding the late May round. We are wait listed for a non K spot, and I was not quite sure how it worked this far along in the process. Do I understand it correctly that if one does not receive a spot at the 5/28 notification then the next opening might occur at the 3 day count ? Isn't EPC closed for the month of July ?

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  18. 12:01, the cycle continues thru the summer. EPC mails letters May 28, June 30 and Aug. 6 (and updates the website with new waitpool numbers). Then school starts and the 5/10 day count thing where they will call you if someone doesn't show up for school. Also, new this year, in July you have to confirm you want to stay in the waitpool. There is a flyer on the SFUSD website. http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/WP%20Key%20Dates.pdf

    May 14, 2010 Last Date to make WP Changes
    • May 28, 2010 Mail Offers, Post WP-Web
    • June 11, 2010 Last Date to make WP Changes
    • June 30, 2010 Mail Offers, Post WP-Web
    ________________________________________________
    • July 1-23, 2010 Date to Re-Activate WP Request
    • July 23, 2010 Last Date to make WP Changes
    • August 6, 2010 Mail Offers, Post WP-Web
    • August 13, 2010 Final changes to WP 2010
    • August 20, 2010 Call any WP approvals

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  19. Non-K spots are much more unpredictable, since they depend on having someone at the right grade level withdraw. A few years ago I moved my son before 8th grade, and didn't get anything until about a week before school started. EPC is open all summer, but in the past the schools have been closed for most or all of July. Don't know if this will be true this year, with the earlier start date.

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  20. 12:01 here. Thanks 1:15 & 1:51. Most appreciated !

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  21. You can probably email as well. We emailed Alana to change our waitpool request. Her email is: ramireza@sfusd.edu

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  22. Many families are mad at the district and the lottery system, so they don't officially give up their spot to "punish" the district. Actually, the district doesn't care. The only ones being hurt are families who want to attend a public school. In the end, we are only hurting each other.

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  23. "Many families are mad at the district and the lottery system, so they don't officially give up their spot to "punish" the district. Actually, the district doesn't care. The only ones being hurt are families who want to attend a public school."

    IIRC, if the district can't fill the slot by the ten-day count, they lose funding. So it is a way of getting back at the district, but a very selfish and destructive one.

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  24. We will likely be giving up a spot at Sherman after we fork over the $$ to the private school on June 1.

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  25. we'll be giving up a spot at CIS De Avila.

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  26. There are several mentions of 5 or 10 day counts here. When I called EPC, they told me this year is a 3 day count. I understood this to mean that students have 3 days (8/16-8/18/10) to show up before they lose their spots. Then they go to the waitpool and apparently randomly by computer pick someone from the priority waitpool. She said waitpools will be dissolved by the end of the week 8/20/10, and that no transfers between SFUSD schools will be allowed after that.

    I don't know that I believe all this, but I was not happy to hear that the "rule" is that when a spot opens after 8/20/10 or in to September, that I could not be eligible for the open spot if I've enrolled and shown up at a different SFUSD school. This suggests that someone else who did not suffer through this 0/7, etc process could take the spot before us. Or someone willing (and able to afford to) lose a deposit at a private school could scoop up the spot before someone in the priority waitpool.

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  27. @12AM
    It totally sucks and is completely unfair.

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  28. 10:36 a.m., ironic. Sherman is one of the few schools I would go to over private. Even more so that they will now be going to neighborhood preference.

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  29. We will likely be giving up a 6th grade spot at Aptos MS as we will probably leave SF due to a job change. We won't know for sure until late June, though.

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  30. What does this mean? ????
    May 28, 2010 Mail Offers, Post WP-Web

    June 11, 2010 Last Date to make WP Changes

    Am I supposed to be doing anything right now? I was assigned Cobb, did not register my child anywhere. She is african american with no preschool and that did not count for anything. Her top school is a middle rated school but we did not get that first or second list time. We did not get our waitlist either. I did not change the waitpool list because I we still want the same school. Is there is anything I should be actively doing right now or before end of June. By July, I will move if there really is no movement whatsoever. Thank you.

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  31. 12:00, you are totally right. The system seems to favor those that go private for K. I just heard from a friend of a friend who last year went 0/7 so were doing a pre-K year. Then they got the call from 4 weeks after school started. No one from the waitpool who was already attending an SFSU district school would have gotten this call. It is seriously something to consider. You could do a K year somewhere, many preschools offer a K or preK. And they don't require a full year's tuition commitment like private elementary schools. Then you can call EPC every day or every week and ask what elementary schools have an opening. B/c you are out of district, you could take any of these openings. It's a hassle, but might be the only way to get in some of the popular publics.

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  32. 2:35, you don't have to do anything. When you turned in your form in March, that put you in the waitpool. You'll stay there until July when EPC will ask you to confirm you still want to be in the waitpool. If for example you move, then you wouldn't renew your waitpool.

    "May 28, 2010 Mail Offers, Post WP-Web" - means that on May 28 EPC will mail letters to any kids that got into a school from the waitpool. They will also post on their website an udpated list of kids who remain on the waitpool.

    "June 11, 2010 Last Date to make WP Changes" - this means that if you want to change your waitpool you have until June 11 to do it with EPC. Then EPC will run their computer program and assign kids to schools again. They mail letters on June 30 and update their website again.
    Good luck.

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