Monday, March 22, 2010

Hot topic: public school spots being given up

This from a reader:
Anyone planning to give up their spot at a public school?

128 comments:

  1. How do you give up your spot at a public school? Does that just happen by not registering on Friday or is there some process? Thanks.

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  2. if you don't register by Friday, your spot is gone and it will become someone's in Round Two.

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  3. I am not registering at Peabody - going private instead

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  4. Sherman spot opening up - going private

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  5. Giving up my Rosa Parks GE spot. Going private.

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  6. Anybody not taking a spot at West Portal? Or know of anyone giving up a West Portal spot?

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  7. "Anybody not taking a spot at West Portal? Or know of anyone giving up a West Portal spot?"

    There tends to be very little movement in the West Portal (and AFY) waitpools. Those are the most popular publics amongst Asians, so you don't see much shifting to other publics, and fewer Asian families opt for independent privates (and there's few privates that are comparable to WP or AFY).

    My advice: fix your sights on another target.

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  8. I will be giving up our spot at Grattan as long as we are able to get into one of the pre-k programs we have applied to. I anticipate this will happen, though I'm guessing I won't know for another month or so.

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  9. Can we purchase the Grattan spot?

    (Imagine how the SFUSD could fundraise this year..!!)

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  10. I bet SFUSD could make a pretty penny on that Peabody spot too.

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  11. I am giving up Cobb spot for private, but doubtfully anyone will jump at this news!

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  12. peabody is awesome. i wouldn't give that one up.

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  13. Giving up a Clarendon K spot (boy) for private. Hope that helps someone here.

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  14. Gave up our spot at Redding for Round II.

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  15. We just registered at Peabody, and are indeed quite pleased. The principal is indeed everything you could want in an educator and is absolutely making an impact there.

    Interestingly, there were two other families on the tour who left without registering. There will be some movement at every single school.

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  16. "Giving up a Clarendon K spot (boy) for private. Hope that helps someone here."

    This will help someone so thanks for posting, but SFUSD does not try to balance gender in classes: they just look for their socioeconomic diversity factors.

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  17. We're giving up an Alvarado GE spot.

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  18. I know this is off-topic but I wrote a blog post about the SFUSD Student Assignment System and my personal experiences with it. I think that the post might be of interest to parents and teachers who use this site (although the post is intended for a national audience).

    http://devstu.org/blogs/2010/03/23/losing-the-lottery

    FYI: I cross-posted this comment on the round 2-advise thread.

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  19. Any middle school spots opening?

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  20. Giving up a first grade spot at Sherman.

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  21. "Any middle school spots opening?"

    We happily registered my son at Aptos, but we know of a Hoover spot that will be relinquished for either SFS or Live Oak (not sure which).

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  22. Take my Redding place, please. We were 0/7 and given this shitstain of a spot instead. Thanks for nothing, SFUSD. On to greener pastures in private land.

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  23. Giving up a Harvey Milk spot.

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  24. 1:57

    Redding is not a shitstain school. It's a diverse and lower-income school that outperforms its demographics. Experienced teachers, nice principal. Biggest drawback for middle class+ parents as far as I can tell is lack of afterschool and location in Polk Gulch, and not enough white people probably too, if people were honest about that. But it's a nice school. I wouldn't say that about all of them, but you are really misinformed about Redding. Did you even go there to look?

    Sorry you didn't like it, and good for you for finding a way out, but no need to talk trash about someone else's community. I don't envy the private school that accepted you that you would talk like that.

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  25. I know of two slots being given up: a Hoover 6th grade one and a Miraloma 2nd grade one.

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  26. Private parent here who thinks it's a cheap shot to call Redding a "shitstain." 76% of the students are socioeconomically disadvantaged and it gets a Great Schools ranking of 5. It's your prerogative to decide what's best for your kid, but Redding's doing a commendable job with a public school's limited resources and a challenged population.

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  27. Yeah, that "shitstain" comment was really uncalled for. Two of my son's friends go to Redding and they are pretty happy kids. Good luck in the "greener pastures" of private school...my experience has been that the most poop is found in pastures ;)

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  28. Whooaaa! I guess I touched a nerve here with my "shitstain" comment. To the private parent who tells me I leveled a cheap shot: You sound like a phony baloney to me. If the public schools in San Francisco are great, why is your kid in private? As for doing a commendable job with limited resources, since when are we grading on the curve? I want the best for my child.

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  29. Have to agree, "shitstain" comment lacks class. I hope you edit yourself around your child.

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  30. I really think that most of these comments have to be put on here to get a rise out of people. Seriously, who says things like that? "Shitstain" school?
    On another note, looks like people are giving up some great schools so there should be hope for those willing to wait it out.

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  31. 4:36, I wish I thought you were right. The Jeffrey mini-series over on the private thread is *obviously* meant to be funny and provocative (whether or not you see it as such). This one didn't have any funny edge, just venom.

    I know very well that all private school parents don't have this dismissive, hateful attitude toward poor folks, but there's enough said in the anonymity of this blog toward specific public schools (the poorer ones) to make me wonder how pervasive an attitude it is--and how much is passed to the children via comments like this. Awful.

    I wonder if more real, ongoing private-public school partnerships would help develop face-to-face friendships and help the kids understand each other as real people. Or maybe that's not a priority? Not sure how I'd go about doing this, but the rich-poor divide in this town is very sad. Seems like the schools are one of the few areas it gets bridged, except that half the white and middle/upper class kids don't go there.

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  32. Due to a job transfer to the East Coast, I am giving up two spots for my twins at Yick Wo (I know! sad!) and one spot at Presidio.

    I went through all this, I got what I dreamed of, and now we're moving. Argh!!

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  33. 5:44

    Bummer! Those are both great schools--and you are giving up THREE spots. Wow, some lucky families are going to be happy.

    Good luck on the East Coast. Hope you find good schools there.

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  34. I just wanna know where Mr./Ms. Shitstain is sending his/her kid so we can go elsewhere when our time comes.

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  35. Look we all want the best for our children and everyone's child as well. Lets share more and argue less, ignore the weirdo's and get back to the topics. Public schools being released is important info yet very few are commenting as this blog from what I am seeing is becoming a grip station and less content...

    Ok anymore Peabody spots going or any other schools?

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  36. When disadvantaged students at one school outperform those at another, you *know* the teachers are doing something right.

    With well-to-do kids at privates, you never know how much credit the teachers can take: The school gets to screen and pick those kids they know will do well REGARDLESS of where they land.

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  37. Give me a break 5:19. I have liberal sensibilities and support equitable stuff, but I'm not that different than most liberals. Did Barack Obama, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, etc. - people who talk about equality for the poor and minorities - send their kids to public schools. LMFAO! Of course not. Because in the end talk is cheap and people do what's best for their kids. Sure I want my kid to appreciate poor people and minorities, but more importantly, I want my kids to be successful, smart and have great job prospects.

    So spare me the violins and the kumba ya crap. I'm no different than most people who can afford private school. If there's nothing that the last two years have taught me it's that don't rely on the government to do anything right. Both political parties sat like pigs at the trough while banks and hedge funds took ridiculous risks, made insane profits, and then held the public hostage for more money when they failed. Now (lest I be accused of going off on a tangent) our public schools are failing because states and municipalities are BROKE. So don't tell me about doing what's right and exposing my kids to poor and minorities. I'm going to do what's right and get my kid the BEST education because Republicans and Democrats (and Tea Party retards) aren't going to do what's right for me. So sayanora shitstain Redding and hello private school.

    Signed,
    Mrs. Shitstain

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  38. Mrs. Shitstain,

    Where are you sending your child next year? I'm sure that community will be thrilled to know you are coming.

    Signed,
    Ms. Proud Public School Parent

    (of a child who is smart and worldly and on track to be successful and have good job prospects--and can navigate lots of different social situations thanks to the mixing it up in public school....don't think she ever heard of kum by yah though....lol, so 1960's!)

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  39. My child will be going either to Friends, MCDS, or Stuart Hall. We are in the process of deciding now.

    Mrs. Shitstain

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  40. feel like you'll be fitting in with those Quaker values, perhaps?

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  41. hey Richard Nixon was a Quaker, right? LOL!

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  42. Well, let us know, would you, Mrs. S.? I'm dead serious about avoiding any school community you might be part of.

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  43. I call serious BS on Mrs. Shitstain. Why is she so interested in the public school spots being given up if she is deciding btw. Friends, MCDS and SH?

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  44. Can we move on from the drama and back to the spots being given up please?

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  45. enough already back to topic or Kate pull this and start a new thread PLEASE

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  46. Please don't go to Friends....it's really not the right fit for you...actually, why the are you even on this blog anyway? I'm glad you got 0/7 because you would have just taken up room at a school that someone really wanted/needed to go to. GO AWAY.

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  47. Why can't we hang out and do whatever we want to till the relevant posts go up? It's like sitting in a bar but not being allowed to chat till the drinks come.

    I think the divine Mrs. S-stain arrived among us by declaring that she was giving up Redding. Of course, she could be part of a 2011 K secret plot hatched to drive people away from a particular private school, thereby opening up more spots there next year... the plot thickens.

    And a round for the house, please!

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  48. I agree, it's boring waiting around. But I sure hope we didn't scare Mrs. S away. Every time she posts I am even more thrilled that we are going public.

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  49. Fellow Parents,

    I am a product of public education K-12. I then attended an Ivy League college and met many private kids. I never felt their education was superior to mine. I wanted SO badly to believe in public education and have my two children thrive there. But then reality hit like a left hook to my chest. Many of the public schools in this city suck. And even the ones that don't suck rate to suck more as funding becomes tighter and more motivated parents opt out for private. Maybe if times were different I would consider public. We don't have unlimited funds like some here. But..it is what it is. And so we go private.

    Mrs. Shitstain

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  50. What about Paul Revere spanish spots? Any being let go now that the principal has resigned? Is that true? What is going on? AAACK!

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  51. Mrs. SS, nobody faults you one bit for going private if that is what is best for your family: it is the reference to another school in terms both obscene and unkind that makes us run from you and whatever private school is unlucky enough to bring you aboard. Try not to spit on the less fortunate or those who make different choices than you, if you would. Many thanks.

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  52. @7:06, so happy that we gave up our Stuart Hall spot (yes, for those of you who are hoping for an SH spot, we gave it up this afternoon) as I am guaranteed not to be in the same school as you for the next 9 years.

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  53. Dear Mr. Shitstain,

    I can't wait til your daughter's a teenager and brings home a thugged out, black drug dealer boyfriend home and your son buys drugs from him. With that attitude, that is exactly the direction you will be driving your nonminority, nonpoor kids. They'll appreciate mi orities and poor people, alright! I suggest you watch the movie "Traffic" for a preview.

    Sincerely,
    white girl whose parents had your attitude

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  54. Reading these comments I believe that a real neighborhood schools model will prevent so much mass exodus. Communities are significantly more diverse than 30 years ago and there are so many more good schools in SF now than then. Neighborhood schools develop communities and help to provide greater support for students and families. They decrease stress, save time, promote volunteerism, reduce traffic and smog,save money and make life better.

    Vote for neighborhood schools in November.

    Contact Sfstudentsfirst@yahoo.com

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  55. Ahhhggghhh! It's Don! Inserting his reactionary ballot initiative info into every thread, when we haven't even tried the more neighborhood-based system yet! Don't take the bait!

    Give me Catherine and Kent or the Fecal-Tint family any day. At least their class biases are upfront.

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  56. <^..^>,

    Do have anything at all to say? There must be something that you can provide of value to this blog?

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  57. "It's Don! Inserting his reactionary ballot initiative info into every thread, when we haven't even tried the more neighborhood-based system yet! Don't take the bait!

    Ah, don't worry about it. Don will get pissed off with whatever other folks are in his organization over some perceived slight to hs awesome activist self, and then he'll be posting about what bastards "Students First" are. It's what he does.

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  58. Some more entertainment?

    I was on California/Divisadero yesterday and walked by Cobb. I've been walking by this school every few months for the past 10 years (Dr is on block, don't live on that side of the city).

    Are you really sure its as bad as you all think it is? The children on the playground looked very happy. What I could see was very clean. Yes there ar some facility issues but mostly it appeared as a nice school. What am I missing?

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  59. 6:55 One of the preschool teachers at my son's school works part time in a classroom at Cobb. she said everything you thought about the school is true and then some. The kids are animals. There is bullying and violence and the parents don't give a shit. I'm guessing no Mama bears will speak up to defend their cubs since they're probably out doing crack now.

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  60. "Whooaaa! I guess I touched a nerve here with my "shitstain" comment. To the private parent who tells me I leveled a cheap shot: You sound like a phony baloney to me. If the public schools in San Francisco are great, why is your kid in private? As for doing a commendable job with limited resources, since when are we grading on the curve? I want the best for my child."

    I got John Muir, a failing school by anybody's standards, two years in a row. I checked out the school and met some decent people whose life circumstances are very different from mine. I am in private because that's the hand the lottery dealt me and I don't want my child in a classroom so full of high-need children that he'll be lost in the shuffle, but that does not make the people at John Muir shitstains. Since schools consist of the people in them, if you call a school a shitstain, you're calling the people that too. If you think I'm phony, that's your prerogative, just like I said it's your prerogative to choose the school you think is best for your child.

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  61. 8:48, I have heard the bullying accusations about one of the most sought-after elementary schools in the city, Grattan. Any Grattan parents care to comment?

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  62. 8:48 and 9:44. I'm pretty sure you can some forms of bullying in all the schools and even in private. Some might not be as obvious.

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  63. Regarding Grattan, my personal experience was with exclusion issues going on with the girls (their version of bullying). The parents got involved, the principal got involved, and the counselor helped to address the issue. The parents worked as a team to get this resolved. It has seemed to have worked since this same group of girls have been playing and working together well for the last year and a half.

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  64. Ah, don't worry about it. Don will get pissed off with whatever other folks are in his organization over some perceived slight to hs awesome activist self, and then he'll be posting about what bastards "Students First" are. It's what he does

    I am a supporter of Students First.
    Thank goodness someone is doing something about neighborhood schools.

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  65. We are one of the families who went 0/7 in Round 1. I would love to hear from families who are giving up their public school spots. Can we re-focus this discussion in that direction?

    I am particularly interested in any Peabody spots being given up. Thanks to the two people who already posted about this!

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  66. Giving up spot at Cobb and going private. Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

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  67. Good luck to you, 1:09.

    I wish people would stop dissing the schools they are leaving though. Mrs. Shitstain was the most egregious (and unwarranted, as Redding is far from a failing school, unlike some others that have been mentioned here). But it is all really unncecessary. It's one thing to give up a spot at Live Oak for one at Hamlin because you prefer the pedagogy, or even one at Clarendon for one at SF Day because you want a smaller school, but the slams on Redding and Cobb are really about putting down poor people, right?

    That's why people avoid these schools, because the percentage of poor kids is too high to stomach (be honest now). Even very successful but low-income schools like Moscone and Taylor don't draw the crowds on this blog, for the most part, despite showing that they beat the demographic odds--something no private school could ever prove given that they get to cherrypick the most likely success stories from the get-go.

    I am NOT saying that you must or should send your child to a low-income school with low test scores. I am not saying that. I am simply asking for a little more class. You have options and choices to go to private schools with nice amenities, low class sizes, wealthy donor bases. Ironically, the kids who would most benefit from such things are the ones who don't have these choices. Least you can do is not insult them on the way out the door. Not to mention you are playing into all of the stereotypes of private school parents. Makes you wonder if Kent and Catherine are so far off from reality.

    Thank you for your consideration.

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  68. Anyone know of anyone giving up a fifth grade slot at any elementary school or of any increase in slots at that level? I heard on another string of some possible openings at Alamo, but was wondering whether anyone here might have information. Thanx.

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  69. Re: grattan. We go there, no bullying. Strange rumor. If you get in, consider yourself very fortunate.

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  70. from 8:48 am
    The kids are animals. There is bullying and violence and the parents don't give a shit. I'm guessing no Mama bears will speak up to defend their cubs since they're probably out doing crack now.
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    I'm having a hard time getting past he idea that you think any kids - disadvantaged or not - are 'animals.'

    I'm at a school that most on this list may have put as one of their top choices - the meanest and worst behaved bullies are girls with parents who's professions include a lawyer, professor and a doctor. (and none of them are on crack as far as I know.)

    Bad behavior comes in all socioeconomic classes.

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  71. 'I'm at a school that most on this list may have put as one of their top choices - the meanest and worst behaved bullies are girls with parents who's professions include a lawyer, professor and a doctor. (and none of them are on crack as far as I know.)

    Bad behavior comes in all socioeconomic classes.'

    Thank you for posting that.

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  72. It isn't a rumor about Alamo. The principal informed the community that he intends to accept several new students at 4th and 5th grade levels for next year. How this will play out at EPC I don't know, but if you have any questions you can always call the school and ask the principal yourself. BTW, he also repeated this at the PTA meeting last night.

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  73. There are going to be a few spots opening in First Grade at Sherman ES since some families have had job-changes forcing them to move to other cities.

    It's a great school with a very active parent-base so I'd highly recommend it!

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  74. I keep thinking that the vibe of some of the public schools is going to change with the new assignment system. For example, Sherman...is it going to be a bunch of kids from Cow Hollow going forward?

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  75. For what it is worth, we are giving up a spot at Sheridan Elementary.

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  76. 5:56, that is the concern about neighborhood school assignment: more segregation by race and class. People talked about how the lottery resegregated the schools compared to the previous OER system, and compared to the previous busing schemes, and that's true, it did. But any sense that neighborhood assignment wouldn't make it WORSE was just not mentioned by neighborhood advocates. It will be interesting to watch.

    7:51, please don't say "for what it is worth." To my ears that makes it sound like you think it's not a worthy option. Sheridan is a nice school. Probably a little too working class for the likes of folks here, but not a bad school, or a chaotic one, or a failing one. It's a decent school.

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  77. I'm a current Grattan parent. Just want to second the comment above. I haven't heard about any problems with bullying. The principal makes it crystal clear that there is zero tolerance for that sort of thing. It's a solid, functional community and my daughter is getting a great education there.

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  78. I posted this question on the waitpool thread too, but I'm not sure anyone is still reading that one.

    Can someone tell me if I'm reading this doc right. The waitpool numbers are from April, the initial number of people in the wait pool. Then the last column is the total number of kids placed in that school from April to Sept. Is that right? For ex. Alamo had a total of 23 in its waitpool in April, but only 5 people were placed in the school from the waitpool by Sept.

    http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/WP_Historical%2009-10%20Update.pdf

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  79. 8.38: Apologies - I didn't mean any disrespect to Sheridan - I merely prefaced my comment with "for what it is worth" becuase no one on the board so far has expressed any interest in a spot at that school. You are right - it is a decent school with good test scores - the location and start time however don't work for our family.

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  80. 9:41 - I'm glad you asked, I've been wondering the same thing! And there seem to be a few errors, e.g., Glen Park had 16 come off a waitpool of 1? That can't be right. Likewise, 17 out of 17 at CIS (DeAvila?).

    Anyway, I'm going with your interpretation unless I hear otherwise. Thanks for raising the point!

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  81. Regarding wait pool stats, you are correct. The April list has September totals as last column. See sfusd.edu for other wait pool stats beyond just detail on April.

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  82. I just heard of spots being given up at Paul Revere, Bryant and Sunnyside for Junipero Serra (as heard at the Junipero Serra meeting tonight).

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  83. 9:55, I think the reason there are more placements than listed in the waitpool b/c people picked up the spots in open enrollment. Not sure about CIS but I bet this was the case for Glen Park.

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  84. This is some seriously sobering info on the waitpools. Very few schools had double digits placed off the waitpools. And why is there so much talk about movement at schools like Grattan when only 5 people were placed there from the waitpool last year. And then someone said on this thread there is no movement at West Portal GE, but it had the same number, 5, for waitpool placements as Grattan? What am I missing?

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  85. If a person who doesn't waitpool the school but puts it on their ammended list fits the demographic the "lottery" system is looking for better than the waitpool, would they get in before a waitpool person?

    Even if a person went 0/7 and has priority. Would that priority be trumped in an immersion school by a native speaker who didn't apply in round 1, if the school needs more native speakers?

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  86. I just want one of the now 13 schools I have put on a list, I am so heart broken over all of the time I spent on the Round I list to get nothing. I have revised my list and continue to put the only school we can walk to as out wait pool (on that list of 11 but towards the bottom) as well as other schools. I have no idea what we are going to do if we go 0/15. I cannot sleep and spend my days worrying about where my child is going to K. I hate this.

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  87. Beautifully said, 1:50pm

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  88. Good luck, 10:25. I know it is stressful.

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    I don't know if you want advice or just to vent. If the latter, stop reading....if advice is okay, here goes:

    Since you are so stressed, I would recommend being conservative in your R2 list so that you have a good chance of getting *something*. Then waitpool the school you really want.

    You didn't say where you live, but it sounds like Junipero Serra is turning into a viable option. Rosa Parks JBBP might be another one.

    In any case, GOOD LUCK.

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  89. 10:25, I am so sorry. It really saddens me to see someone heartbroken and stressed out -- but for whatever it's worth, I admire your restraint in not lashing out at other people, dissing schools, or fanning the flames of class war here, or acting entitled. So many people have taken out their stress on others on this blog; it's really disheartening. My fingers are crossed really tightly for you. Please let us know how it works out.

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  90. Can anybody answer that question from 10:11?

    why is there so much talk about movement at schools like Grattan when only 5 people were placed there from the waitpool last year. And then someone said on this thread there is no movement at West Portal GE, but it had the same number, 5, for waitpool placements as Grattan? What am I missing?

    Is there really no more movement at the schools than 5 people off the waitlists! How can that be? I thought Grattan was popular with private school kids that gave up seats to go private, but only 5 of them. Good grief. How can everybody keep saying it will work out? According to that file, only 258 kids got placed off a waitpool. Didn't over 900 families go 0/7, what are the other 650 families supposed to do? I'm stressin'!

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  91. For the July Total in Waitpool Column from last year, isn't the number those who were still left and did not get placed? I'm confused.

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  92. 9;33, you are correct for the July numbers. That is how many people were left in the waitpool in July. It doesn't tell you how many people got in from the waitpool. This doc tells how many got it. Which I think is shockingly low!
    http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/WP_Historical%2009-10%20Update.pdf

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  93. Thanks 9:53!

    I wish they would include 1st grade stats, b/c I'm trying to get my kid into a 1st-grade trophy school.
    So I would've inflated last year's number a little bit to account for class-size increase.

    But are the trophies not going to increase class size? Does that only happen when you do combination classes and reduce teaching staff? Or will all of the schools be told they have to accept a few kids more?

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  94. I asked this on another string, but can I change my waitpool list that I gave the District last week? I want to change my waitpool school.

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  95. Nope. You'll have to wait till the next round.

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  96. 10:23, You can change your waitpool school at any time. The earlier the better, of course, and especially before they assign Round 2. Changing it before the Round 2 deadline will give you the best odds (i.e. spaces opening up from people who didn't register in Round 1).

    Although doing this will give you the best odds, it is no guarantee. We requested our waitpool school at the very beginning (Round 2). Even though we chose a school with lower waitpool numbers, we didn't get our school until the week school started.

    I won't lie: It was incredibly stressful.

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  97. When are they adding the spots with the class size enlargement. For those of at 0/7, this makes a big difference!

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  98. which program is the clarendon spot in? thanks!

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  99. To 10:25 pm

    Hey!! I was you 2 years ago. I spent literally 5 months in a state of anxiety at batting 0. I wanted/needed the same thing, neighborhood school. I spent a alot of time at EPC, checking constantly to see how the waitpool situation was going. The waitpool numbers can change over the summer, and they do. Things were a little strange two years ago becuase of the Flynnarando incident, where families assigned to Flynn and Alvarado for immersion program were then booted out. To accommodate them (as they rightfully should have been) the district put these families ahead of those in the waitpool, those of unluckies. Anyway, the long and short of it all is to VISIT EPC OFTEN to get the latest and greatest "real time" info. I found calling to be unfilling and down right frustrating. Keep active - it helps.

    Happy ending to story - we got into our #1 school the Friday before school started.

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  100. They won't officiall increase the class size until they finish negotiations with the teacher's union. Here is their website http://www.uesf.org/. I keep checking there to see if there is any news about the negotiations. There is not way to know if the additional spots will be included in Round 2 or if they will become available after. And all schools will increase class size (except some that are low performers have some special something going on, and I think Miraloma is still on this list for some reason, they only have 20 in their Ks instead of 22). A principal told me the Ks will increase to b/w 24 and 27. That each school will have some flexibility b/c it was better to put a few more kids in a K class than have to do a split K/1st. And I agree, you can change your waitpool school at anytime.

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  101. Up to 27 in K? I'm sorry but this is just so depressing to hear. Am I going to have to quit my job and camp out in the classroom as an aid? I see my son's swim class fluctuate between 3 and 5 kids, and there's a huge difference when they're all there in what the teacher can teach. It is going to be ROTE learning all the way.

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  102. I was at EPC today asking about the increased class size possibly being helpful for Round II. She said they had a meeting this morning and that it would not affect Round II.

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  103. Ok, I'm the one who asked if I can change my Round2/waitpool choices that I put in last week. One person said yes; one said no. Is there anyone at PPS that can answer this definitively? And if it is "no," then when can you change your waitlist. The form only says that in mid-summer SFUSD will check in with you to see if you are interested in staying in the waitpool. It doesn't say you get a chance to put in a new waitpool request.

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  104. Don't know if you can change what you turned in already, but when I was there they gave me this Wait Pool (WP) Key Dates:
    *3/26/2010 Last Date to submit WP

    *4/5/2010 WP requests will be posted online (This is so you can see if your waitpool has a crazy # of people in it and you want to change to another WP.)

    *4/9/2010 Last Date to make WP Changes

    *4/30/2010 Mail Offers, and they will re-post WP stats on the web
    ----
    *5/14/2010 Last Date to make WP Changes
    *5/28/2010 Mail Offers, Post WP on web
    *6/11/2010 Last Date to make WP Changes
    *6/30/2010 Mail Offers, Post WP on web

    and so on...

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  105. I don't really see how bigger class sizes will give you better odds at popular (or any other) schools. They aren't creating more spots -- they're consolidating. I'm quite sure they will finish enrollment, then turn 3 classes at a school into 2, or close a school and fold those people into another.

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  106. I doubt Glen Park would be an error. The second GE class opened after Round Two last year, so to get a spot, you needed to list it as your waitpool school or finagle a spot with Archie.

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  107. Bigger class size will help out waitpoolers. If a school has 3 Ks with currently assigned 22 kids, the school cannot combine those 66 kids into two classes of 33! They will keep the three Ks and add 2 to 5 kids to each class.

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  108. Yeah, I bet the extra spots don't open up until after Round 2. The teachers union has to agree and I'm sure that will take awhile.

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  109. For the record, the Obama and Clinton families sent their girls to public school in Chicago and Arkansas, respectively. It wasn't until they moved to D.C. that they enrolled their children in the Friends school there. If we are stressed out, imagine making that decision with all the limelight on you!

    And, while I don't condone the "potty talk" about Cobb, I would say fears are well-founded. Doesn't anyone else here remember that a student's mom was murdered at the school by her estranged husband?

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  110. Erg -- may be giving up an Alamo spot. I know, we are crazy, it's an awesome school. Just maybe too big for what we would prefer.

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  111. Don't know about the Clintons in Arkansas, but the Obamas sent their girls to the very PRIVATE Lab school in Chicago before moving to DC and Sidwell.

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  112. 10:38, I assume you have a Plan B? (or Plan A?).

    One thing--what looks big to the parents of a preschooler will not look so big soon. I hated the thought of sending my kid to a 500-kid school. Now my 5th grader is so ready to move on because it feels tiny! He actually adapted very quickly--a few weeks into kinder and he had the routine down (and of course they keep the kinders separate from the older kids for lunch and recess--in practice, the daily routine in the classroom didn't feel that different from preschool in many ways). Just my 2 cents.

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  113. Everybody here needs to stop being so damn politically correct, excuse my French. It's nice to say that this school is poor and that is does a lovely job with limited resources and a "challenged" student body. Why can't we just be honest? Some schools are just not very good. Life is NOT fair, and some parents end up sending their kids to these terrible schools. Let's not worry about hurting feelings. Let's instead be truthful. Cobb is a dangerous place full of undisciplined rowdy kids and parents on drugs who don't care. What's wrong with speaking the truth? Maybe this will motivate change.

    Thank you,
    Mrs. Shitstain

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  114. Mrs. Shitstain, please, just stop. Your ignorance and class snobbery is embarrassing you, this blog, and others associated with private school, and you don't seem to care. It's not about being PC. It's about being a human being. Don't want Cobb? Don't go there. Or better yet, contribute to efforts to improve public schools. But your venom is not useful to anyone. I doubt that your insulting en masse people you do not know will motivate any change for the good, anywhere.

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  115. Mrs. S, to which certified ordure-free school did you decide to send your son?

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  116. Great. It sounds like it will be about September before I will lose the tick in my eye and be able to sleep through the night because by then we might have a school we can accept. I am just sick to my stomach. Those of you happy with your private or public spots, good for you. Me, I am in my own version of a living nightmare.

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  117. Bigger class size will help out waitpoolers. If a school has 3 Ks with currently assigned 22 kids, the school cannot combine those 66 kids into two classes of 33! They will keep the three Ks and add 2 to 5 kids to each class.

    No... those 2 to 5 kids will come from other enrolled K classes that are closing.

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  118. We will be happy at Friends.

    Mrs. Shitstain

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  119. Thanks for the warning.

    -Friend's school parent

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  120. RE: Bigger class size will help out waitpoolers. If a school has 3 Ks with currently assigned 22 kids, the school cannot combine those 66 kids into two classes of 33! They will keep the three Ks and add 2 to 5 kids to each class.

    No... those 2 to 5 kids will come from other enrolled K classes that are closing.

    So the kids from closing schools will get waitpool priority? Attention all you 0/7ers, get yee to a closing school and sign up fast! This will put you ahead of other 0/7ers in the waitpool. Gotta love a way to game the system!

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  121. Dear Ms. Shitstain,

    Hmmm. How the heck did they let YOU slip through to be a Friends School Parent?

    Quaker Education Core Beliefs:
    These values flow from one simple core belief: that religion should start from personal experience, not from dogma or ceremony. As all individuals have "that of God" within them, everyone has strong potential for good and is worthy of dignity and respect. From this in turn comes much of what is now valued in our Schools: an expectation of the highest standards of individual excellence; the quest for truth (many Quakers have become distinguished in scientific and academic life as well as in business); the toleration that refuses to see the truth as confined to one creed or dogma; an openness to inspiration from whatever source it comes; an insistence on the equal rights of all people.

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  122. Obama kids were in private school in Chicago. Look it up.

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  123. Would anyone with a public school spot give it up if they got a great private school spot over the spring or summer (assuming someone at private has also played Round 2 and gets a school they like)? I would be curious how much this happens and at which schools is it more likely. I've heard it's more likely at CL, Rooftop since many parents applying to private schools also applied there. Thank you!

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  124. 9:19 p.m., in a heart beat I would give up my public school spot. Though, with a Great School Rating of 5, I doubt there are folks lining up for it.

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  125. The comments about Cobb are sad. Unfortunately, Cobb is THE epitomy of a phenomenon that has nothing to do with the children at Cobb. It saddens me to see children branded negatively because of their life circumstances. The phenomenon at Cobb is of ADULTS who do not put the children first. The staff do not innately respect these children, they want order and obedience, and are not willing to put themselves out for these children. The wonderful energy of loving respect that you find at a school filled with young energy like El Dorado is markedly different. Those children also come from the same types of circumstances. The cynicism and self-involvement of the Cobb ADULT community is what marks this school. Not the children. The reverse racism inherent in the dominant "community leaders"-translation: political opportunists who dominate this school prevent parents and people who care about the children from turning it around. These kids deserve better.

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  126. "Would anyone with a public school spot give it up if they got a great private school spot over the spring or summer (assuming someone at private has also played Round 2 and gets a school they like)? I would be curious how much this happens and at which schools is it more likely. I've heard it's more likely at CL, Rooftop since many parents applying to private schools also applied there. Thank you!"

    See http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/WP_Historical%2009-10%20Update.pdf

    It has data for how many got in off the waitpool by Sep '09. For CL, a total of 5 got in off the waitpool. For Rooftop, zero.

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  127. Here is the waitpool data for this year. There is even a waitlist at Cobb...http://portal.sfusd.edu/data/epc/WP_Cohorts%20FOR%20WEB%20%204_5_10.pdf

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  128. A friend who is a parent at Peabody said they have 10 kids who did not register. I think their waitlist is longer than that, but still 10!

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