Tuesday, March 16, 2010

DeAvila Update

This from SFUSD:

Thank you for your e-mail and request for clarification in regards to the Round 1 Enrollment Process Results for DeAvila Chinese Immersion School.

Listed below is an official data set for final capacity used and demand results for Round1 School Year 2010-2011.

School

Grade

Program

Capacity 2010-2011

Total Requests 2010-2011

1st Choice Requests 2010-2011

CHINESE IMM ES

K

CN

44

156

52

I
In order to provide effective and continuous Dual Language Immersion pathways, the District is required to assign an appropriate balance of English learner students (CN) who are proficient in the target language and English Fluent students (CE) per grade level and classroom.

In a class capacity of 22 students that balance is 13 (CN) and 9 (CE) students. For a school capacity of of 44 that would be 26(CN) and (18) CE students.

It is important to note that of the 18 English speaking spaces, 15 of them were taken by siblings, leaving only 3 spaces for the assignment run.

The District has reviewed and verified Round1 data with the site principal and has increased the capacity in K Immersion to 66 total capacity.

In the new school capacity of 66 the balance will be 39 (CN) and 27 (CE) students allowing for an additional 9 spaces in CE.

· In order to provide equity for all families requesting the program, we will conduct a new assignment run today just for the applicants who requested the school and were designated or received a lower ranked school.

· There are a total 66 families in this category that will be reviewed for the 9 new spaces that will be made available by noon today.

· The 9 families who have been assigned to CE will be called today to inform them of the assignment approval.

· Assignment letters will be mailed home and faxed to the school

49 comments:

  1. IF YOU WANTED CIS DE AVILA AND DIDN'T GET IT - LIST IT FOR THE WAITPOOL OR ROUND II!!

    EVEN IF YOU GOT ONE OF YOUR SEVEN.

    There is going to be a lot of movement at this school - If you want it - GO FOR IT!!!

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  2. Wow, I'm impressed that SFUSD is going to do this. It seems fair. I'm shocked!

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  3. Is anyone else surprised there are so many siblings? Hasn't this school just been open 1 year? Are there really 15 people that have kids just one year apart, all in the same school, nutty. . .

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  4. I suppose they could be up to two years apart by the cutoff dates...

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  5. Up to three years apart, because DeAvila has K and 1st grade currently.

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  6. So obviously there are number of people that ranked de Avila #1 and presumably should have received an assignment letter to de Avila on Saturday. Instead some of these individuals received assignments to schools they ranked #2 that some of us had ranked #1, but went 0 for 7. Specifically, a post on Saturday received Alvarado SI at #2 with de Avila #1.

    Where does this end. I know the odds/percentages...but in the end a spot is a spot and given the nature of this process you need EVERY chance you can get. This is insane.

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  7. 1:24, good point. I guess it's all the more reason to waitpool. The spots the DeAvilla kids open up, will open up in the waitpool run b/f Round II.

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  8. Congrats to those lucky 9. I was kicking myself for changing Avilla from 1st to our second choice while sitting on the floor of the USD during the first round after reading thy were adding the other class. Then I saw only 9 more students were getting spot. it looks like its still going to be tough going to get in that school or any school.

    As a 0/7 parent I just don't know what to do, where the better odds lie. I thought I picked a good set for the 1st round but because of they were mostly IM I'm guessing very few english speaking non siblings were assigned to the schools. Does anyone know if all the native speaker spots are released in the second round or do they still reserve some of these?
    Thanks CJ

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  9. 1:26, waitpool was always a priority, not our John Muir assignment.

    However the process is already trying enough and now to think that you were not even given a fair shot is infuriating. Maybe those spots are released, but maybe not, these people (and don't get me wrong I do not fault them one bit, in fact congratulations) now in essence have 2 assignments. Or are those slots automatically relenquished?

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  10. My understanding based on the email I received from Archie Fokin was that an assignment to De Avila in today's special lottery immediately replaced the prior assignment, because you were only in this lottery if you'd ranked De Avila higher than your existing assignment.

    I know only one of the 9 families who got the call, however, so I could be wrong. That family is taking the De Avila placement and releasing an assignment at Rosa Parks JBBP.

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  11. An update: Two of the families I reached got calls from EPC, releasing assignments at Rosa Parks JBBP and McKinley.

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  12. I got a call today for de avila. so the spot at Sutro will be opening up. Good luck to those still waiting for assignment.

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  13. I'm the person who got the De Avila call and opened up a spot at Rosa Parks JBBP, and I want to give a shout out to Dorie, who helped connect and inspire all of us who had put De Avila as our first choice to come together to address the problem.

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  14. Anyone have an answer about round II and how many spots are open for English Language speakers? I listed all Mandarin/Chinese immersion programs and got 0/7. I'm still very much interested in pursuing and will waitlist. Was wondering if it was worth it to go round II as well.

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  15. By the way, seems like AFY and West Portal is kind of pointless for round II. How about the others?

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  16. To be clear, Dorie is from PPS, correct? Thank you again, PPS!

    Roasted Squid, I certainly wouldn't have high hopes for AFY and West Portal, but there is no loss to you in listing them in your amended application if Chinese immersion is really your focus. I would assume that you have a better shot at Ortega, Starr King, and DeAvila, but who knows? Why not list them all?

    The real question is which one do you waitpool.

    In any case, GOOD LUCK.

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  17. If anyone is interested and hasn't had a chance to tour De Avila, they are touring on the following dates:

    To Reserve a spot for a tour, please contact 415-241-6325

    * Thursday March 18th - 9 am to 10 am
    * Thursday March 25th - 9 am to 10 am

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  18. I'm not affiliated with PPS. I'm just a parent who had hoped for a De Avila placement.

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  19. Oh....well, more power to you, then, Dorie! Good for you, and good luck.

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  20. I don't quite understand why people who already got one of their 7 schools would take part in this second DeAvila lottery, but people who got 0/7 and had DeAvila on their list don't get a chance?

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  21. 11:51 p.m., today's mini-run of DeAvila spots was open to everyone who had DeAvila on their Round I list and was either: assigned to a lower choice OR went 0/7.

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  22. "By the way, seems like AFY and West Portal is kind of pointless for round II. How about the others"

    Yes, there's not much point in listing them: AFY is one-way immersion, so there's no slots reserved for native Cantonese speakers, plus it usually has a cubic buttload of folks in its waitpool. WP gets more than enough Cantonese speakers to fill its quota of Cantonese, and also has near-infinite numbers in its waitpool.

    I don't know about DeAvila, but both JOES and Starr King usually release resrved slots for Mandarin speakers in R2, as there aren't enough native Mandarin-speaking applicants (usually).

    Remember to waitpool the school you want most as well as submitting the R2 form, as, IIRC, the waitpools are run before the R2 lottery.

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  23. Chinese Immersion School at De Avila (CIS) will have available seats released in Round 2 to ELO (English Language Only) families that were reserved, but not filled by ELL (English Language Learner) families. CIS is a viable option for Round 2 as EPC held 39 seats for ELL families in Round 1.

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  24. So if I put DeAvila as my #1 choice and received 0/7 and was assigned to the Tenderloin Community School are my chances are good that may get a slot in round 2? Do we know how many put DeAvila as their #1 choice? Thanks.

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  25. Why were only people who put avilla first put in the new lottery. I thought all people whether they listed a school 1st or seventh were included when schools were assigning seats and placement on your list only mattered afterward. Everyone who listed avilla should have been included in the new Lottery for it to be fair and be how the rest of the assignments were done for the school district. Am I right? Isn't this how the assignments are done?

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  26. In Round 1 52 people ranked CIS De Avila as their first choice. But there's no way to tell how many people will list it in Round 2--it's entirely possible that people who wanted AFY/West Portal in Round 1 will list CIS De Avila in Round 2 because it's perceived to have better odds. Who knows.

    One family that went 0/7 after ranking De Avila #1 mentioned that they weren't sure they were totally comfortable making it their wait pool choice because of this uncertainty.

    Personally I keep thinking of Clint Eastwood, "Do ya feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya?" Speaking for myself only: so far, not so lucky.

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  27. Everyone who listed De Avila in Round 1 was included in the special lottery yesterday, whether they ranked it as their first choice, their seventh, or anything inbetween.

    As it was explained to me: The only people who'd listed De Avila that EPC excluded from the special lottery were (a) people who had already been assigned to De Avila (for obvious reasons) and (b) people who had been assigned to a school that they had ranked higher in Round 1 than they'd ranked De Avila.

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  28. Edit: Duh, the first sentence of my last post should read "ALMOST everyone."

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  29. THIS WAS DONE WRONG. Who at the SFUSD do I talk to. The Assignment for the 3rd class at Deavilla was not done in accordance to the rules of school assignment. All children not just those who chose it first were supposed to be considered in this assignment. I am working and don't have time to look up the exact wording but all children who list a school are considered. It isn't until they start to give out seats that where you placed the school on the list matters. THIS ASSIGNMENT SHOULD NOT JUST HAVE INCLUDED FAMILIES THAT PLACED AVILLA FIRST. As I said I'm pretty busy at the moment and I know that this is going to cause a stink but does anyone know who I talk to about this? Fair is fair in this unfair school assignment system

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  30. Re: "THIS ASSIGNMENT SHOULD NOT JUST HAVE INCLUDED FAMILIES THAT PLACED AVILLA FIRST."

    It didn't just include those families! It included anyone who ranked DeAvila at all and didn't get a school they ranked higher than DeAvila. So if you ranked DeAvila #5 and got your #6 choice, you were in this lottery. If you ranked DeAvila #5 and didn't get any choice, you were in this lottery. If you ranked DeAvila #5 but got your #2 choice, you weren't in this lottery because you already have a school you liked better.

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  31. Um, 9:19, I assume that getting a school that one did not choose, as happens to everyone who goes 0/7, counts as receiving a lower-ranked school.

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  32. @9:19pm
    Please see Rachel Norton's comment above ~midnight which says specifically that families who went 0/7 were included. Rachel met with Darlene Lim and Archie Fokin at EPC to discuss this issue so probably has more information than any of us, or than may have been obvious (given the tortured prose) from reading the letter.

    That said, it sounds like you really want direct confirmation from someone at EPC, so meeting with a counselor would probably be helpful.

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  33. Hmmm OK. Well it does seem pretty clear -- lower "ranked" means a school you ranked lower. I didn't "rank" the school I got when I went 0 for 7. I suppose I'll believe it if anyone who went 0 for 7 got one of those spots at De Avila? Anyone?

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  34. Of the 9 families who got in on second round -- please chime in. Were you 0 for 7, or had you already received one of your lower ranked schools?

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  35. Agreed that the wording is confusing, but I think "designated" means assigned to a school that wasn't on your list of 7. Otherwise, "designated or received a lower ranked school" would say the same thing twice.

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  36. We had CIS as #1 choice, got 0/7 and assigned to John Muir. Got a voice mail from SFUSD on Tuesday and got re-assigned to CIS. What a turn of events!

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  37. If anyone who did not get into DeAvila is interested in Mandarin Immersion, there is an option for doing an inter-district transfer to a Mandarin Immersion program at College Park Elementary School in the San Mateo-Foster City School Distict. We visited and thoroughly researched it, and College Park is a really great school!!! It's all Mandarin Immersion classes in K, combined with an excellent Mandarin after-school program. There is also a possibility of combining Mandarin Immersion and gifted and talented placement in grades 5 & 6 because College Park is simultaneously the School District's Mandarin Immersion and Gifted & Talented magnet school. For San Franciscans, College Park will accept inter-district transfers if there are spaces (which I think there are as of today) For more information, go to www.MandarinImmersion.com, and call the school asking for "Tish," the administrative assistant to the Principal. It would be quite a long schlep to and from SF every day, but if one of the parents works on the Penninsula and could do drop off and pick up (which was not our situation), it would be workable--or if you were willing to move to the San Mateo area ultimately. Best of luck.

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  38. 12:15, you are missing the point. There are two other excellent Mandarin Immersion public schools in SF, Starr King and Jose Ortega. Inter-district transfers does not allow for community building and easy play dates. Also, CIS at De Avila will be introducing Mandarin in 2nd grade.

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  39. Last night at the John Muir counseling session the EPC representative claimed that native speaker openings at CIS De Avila WOULD NOT be given to English speakers in Round 2. Instead, SFUSD would leave these slots empty in the hope of recruiting native speakers through the rest of the summer. Can anyone confirm this?

    Because if it's true, CIS De Avila would be an extremely poor wait pool/Round 2 choice.

    [I am cross-posting to the Round 2 thread as well.]

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  40. Dorie, I think we both know that the best place to find answers to these types of questions is not on this blog. Your posting is going to create anxiety and fear in people unnecessarily. You have already been in contact with people at EPC, like Mr. Folkin. I suggest you seek the answers at EPC, and then post your findings.

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  41. God why does this process have to be so damn complicated?? In fact, it's so complicated that nobody seems to have quite the correct information and we don't know whom to trust. Even the info one gets from EPC is not necessarily correct. Thanks SFUSD.

    Last I heard before is that they do offer those seats to english-only speakers, so we waitlisted De Avila yesterday because the chances seemed very good.

    Can we change our wait list now after it's been turned in?

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  42. 10:13am, I have no intention of creating unnecessary anxiety but I was disturbed when I heard this during what WAS in fact my last contact with EPC. Earlier this week I did get one email from Archie Fokin, but they haven't ever returned my calls, so meeting with counselors is the best I can do to get information. I know that in the past EPC counselors have said different things to different people throughout this process. It is as frustrating for me as it is for everyone else. If this is the consistent message everyone is hearing from EPC and I didn't just get one piece of bad information, I'd like to know that going forward.

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  43. Dorie I appreciate the info. It's good to know that it's a possibility.

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  44. Here is an email response from a director at EPC regarding Dorie's posting...

    "Thank you for your e-mail. In Round 2 we will still attempt to place the needed cohort of Chinese Native Speakers into the program.

    Currently the school is full with the appropriate amount of English speakers. We will review the possibility of filling additional English Cohort Seats only after Round 2 prior to the May 28th notification period, only if we do not reach our required balance of target language speakers."

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  45. 9:02AM, I think YOU are missing the point. I believe the goal of this blog is to empower people with the information they need to make the best educational decisions for their children, not control the information flow to meet the needs of the people like you who seem to want to constrain others choices. I think you should reconsider what you are doing on this blogsite if you are trying to negate the value of information that might be relevant to other parents.

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  46. 10:43..I think you were a little unnecessarily harsh...you are pushing this San Mateo school on many threads...wondering if you get some kick back??? 9:02 was informing the fellow bloggers as to our options just as much as you were. Negativity does not help anyone on this blog.

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  47. 9:23

    Are you serious? Do you really think I'm getting a kickback and am pushing College Park in San Mateo rather than just trying to provide useful information to parents who want an immersion program? FYI, I'm just another parent, and our child is going to another school next year, so I've got no skin in this game except my concern for other families. I don't appreciate your absurd, mistrustful accusation that I'm getting a kickback.

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  48. 11:08:

    Many people get offended by seeing your copy-and-paste reply on many threads. That's as close to the definition of troll as you can get.

    Your information is valuable and I am sure many people will appreciate it. However, don't hijack other threads (Online behavior 101).

    Instead, send the info to the blog owner to post as your own thread.

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  49. I'm looking for a Chinese Immersion program for my incoming K. Can anyone tell me why DeAvila is so hot?! It's a new school that just opened up right? I got 0/7 and am just wondering if I should list as first choice. How is this school hot other than the fact that everyone is going for it?

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