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Has anyone taken their kids for language assessments at SFUSD for immersion placement?
On this blog and the PPS listserv, I've seen the following schools mentioned as having made various folks' lists:1. Alamo2. Alice Fong Yu3. Alvarado GE4. Alvarado SN5. Argonne6. Buena Vista7. Claire Lilienthal GE8. Claire Lilienthal K9. Clarendon GE10. Clarendon JBBP11. Commodore Sloat12. Daniel Webster SN13. Dianne Feinstein14. Fairmount15. Francis Scott Key16. George Peabody17. Glen Park18. Grattan19. Harvey Milk20. Jefferson21. Jose Ortega GE22. Jose Ortega MN23. Lafayette24. Lakeshore25. Lawton26. Leonard Flynn GE27. Leonard Flynn SN28. Marshall29. McKinley30. Miraloma31. Monroe SN32. New Traditions33. Paul Revere SN34. RL Stevenson35. Rooftop36. Rosa Parks JBBP37. SF Community38. Sherman39. Starr King MN40. Sunnyside41. Sunset42. Sutro43. Ulloa44. West Portal GE45. West Portal CN46. Yick WoDid I miss any? Anyone put a school down that is not listed here? I think it represents a majority of programs/schools offered, excluding Spanish, Chinese, and Filipino bilingual programs and the newcomer programs.I post this because I am floored at how broad this list is now compared to the parental chatter about schools when I first went through this in 2001. I think I heard about maybe fifteen at that time, such as Lawton, Jefferson, Rooftop, Clarendon, CL, Buena Vista, Lakeshore, AFY, and just a few more.
Frank McCoppin in the Richmond & Creative Arts (Charter)
So, a more complete list of schools that people have postively said they are applying is as follows. 48 total. Any others?1. Alamo2. Alice Fong Yu3. Alvarado GE4. Alvarado SN5. Argonne6. Buena Vista7. Claire Lilienthal GE8. Claire Lilienthal K9. Clarendon GE10. Clarendon JBBP11. Commodore Sloat12. Creative Charter SoA13. Daniel Webster SN14. Dianne Feinstein15. Fairmount16. Francis Scott Key17. Frank McCoppin18. George Peabody19. Glen Park20. Grattan21. Harvey Milk22. Jefferson23. Jose Ortega GE24. Jose Ortega MN25. Lafayette26. Lakeshore27. Lawton28. Leonard Flynn GE29. Leonard Flynn SN30. Marshall31. McKinley32. Miraloma33. Monroe SN34. New Traditions35. Paul Revere SN36. RL Stevenson37. Rooftop38. Rosa Parks JBBP39. SF Community40. Sherman41. Starr King MN42. Sunnyside43. Sunset44. Sutro45. Ulloa46. West Portal GE47. West Portal CN48. Yick Wo
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That's an amazing number. In the spirit of exploring schools that aren't attracting mass interest, I wonder about these five, too. I'm not at all familiar with any of them, but I'd be curious if I were searching now. Just listing the names, neighborhoods and APIs:Garfield, North Beach -- 867Gordon Lau, Chinatown -- 836Longfellow, Outer Mission -- 825Jean Parker, North Beach -- 846Spring Valley, Russian/Nob Hill -- 833
Caroline, geography may be an obstacle for many people on the schools you list. The drive to the Chinatown/North/Beach/Russian Hill schools is pretty bad from most parts of the city and then what do you do with your car all day? Longfellow, unless I missed something, has no bus service at all. The other schools have one bus route or two, with service only from the Mission and, for Gordon Lau, Potrero Hill. These are probably de facto "neighborhood schools" largely for transit reasons. There may be some "my kid won't feel comfortable there" or "it's too one-group" thinking going on as well. Garfield and Parker are Asian by a large majority with very small percentages of African-American, Hispanic or European-American students. Gordon Lau is 82% Asian and 13% Hispanic. Spring Valley is 53% Asian and 32% Hispanic. All four of these schools serve student populations of whom 80 to 90% are socioeconomically disadvantaged and 60 to 90% are English learners--and still get very strong results. If the location works, these four strong-performing schools could be good options, and present better odds under the diversity index, for families who are NOT socioeconomically disadvantaged and speak English at home. Although it's small, Garfield is the least-requested of the lot. Longfellow serves about equal numbers of Asian, Filipino and Hispanic students with 59% socioeconomically disadvantaged and 38% English learners. Although the diversity index won't play as large a role, the relatively low number of requests could also give good odds of getting in.Parker, Gordon Lau and Spring Valley all have a decent number of requests in their general ed strands), about 5 requests per spot, though apparently not from people on this blog. Garfield's combination of difficult location, few openings, 7:50 start time and very limited bus service may account for lack of interest from families on this blog, but it's surprising that nearby families don't' request it more than are shown on Adams' spreadsheet. I can't account for Longfellow's relative lack of popularity. Of the five schools you mentioned I've only seen Spring Valley and it felt gloomy to me. I have seen other, more positive, posts about it.
We did the language assessment earlier this week.If your kid is fluent in Spanish, it is an *easy* test. They had to listen to a story and then repeat it in their own words. Super-easy for a child that speaks the language, not-so-easy for a kid who has been taught a handful of words and songs only.
I toured Garfield as we're in Cow Hollow and it would be much more convenient than others I was touring. I really liked it. It had a comfortable feel and an amazing building. The kids seemed happy and the layout of the rooms was informal - more like hanging out in someone's house than a school. My issue was the principal - she couldn't have seemed less interested or enthusiastic. She led us around like we were annoying her and kind of mumbled about each room and grade. After meeting so many inspiring principals I just couldn't get over that. She steers the ship you know. I was left feeling like I didn't want to leave my kids in her hands after meeting the people at George Peabody, Sutro, Sherman etc.
Good points, Marlowe's Mom. I arrived at that list by looking for schools in reasonably thriving, non-scary neighborhoods with APIs over 800, but I didn't look at bus service or other factors. And now I have realized that by my own criteria I overlooked John Yehall Chin, also in North Beach, API 869. If I were a parent looking to find schools that might work and that my kid had a reasonable chance of getting into, I'd at least add those to the non-short list. If it were my own family I'd then cross all but Longfellow off as geographically undesirable, but of course that's not everyone's situation. Yick Wo, at Jones and Lombard, is on the hot list, for example.
A follow-up question on the language assessment post:Can the child repeat the story in either Spanish or English, or does it have to be summarized in Spanish?
to 5:24, 1/12,Garfield has had the same principal for many years, and I recall she was very distant 8 years ago when I toured. However, she does get results, judging by the growing API scores. However, I am walking distance from the school, and confess that I chose not to apply for reasons similar to those you and Marlowe's Mom mentioned.
John Yehall Chin sounds like a great school but has the same location and transit issues as Garfield, Parker, Lau and Spring Valley: it's in North Beach and only one bus route from the Tenderloin. It's student population is similar to Garfield, Parker and Lau (almost 90% Asian, very high percentages of socioeconomically disadvantaged kids and English learners) so better diversity index odds for English-speaking families who are not socioeconomically disadvantaged. Like Parker, Lau and Spring Valley, it's reasonably popular with five requests per seat but there are only 20 places in the General Ed strand. It would be great if people familiar with these schools (Lau, Spring Valley, Garfield, Parker, Chin and Longfellow) would post information on here for those for whom the geography works.
RE: language assessment.They are looking for children who are fluent in Spanish so they can serve as language role models to those who are not.So yes, they have to be able to repeat the story in Spanish.Having receptive skills will help the child learn to speak Spanish more quickly. BEing able to understand a language is a very important skill! But you can't serve as a language role model unless you can speak a language.That's my understanding, anyway. I'm not 100 percent certain.
I just gave birth and missed the deadline. I feel so horrible. I realized when I read the Chron Friday at 10PM, six hours too late. I even had the forms filled out. I brought the form down to EPC on Monday morning and was told there was no way to get in Round I. Now I have to wait until May to find out how screwed my son will be. Now where will my son end up?
1:53oh dear....i'm sorry.beyond all the concern and fear expressed here, there will likely be fine spots in round 2 and open enrollment. last year there were slots at rosa parks jbbp, for example. you will probably have to compromise on location and start time and not count on getting your most-favored spot. but check out the list above (and also some of the schools mentioned by caroline and others as well). there are over 50 programs listed here. all of these have something going for them, so when it is time for round 2, list at least a few that were not so popular; and do be sure to be first in line at open enrollment! your kid will be okay, really. a lot of this is hype and the over-parenting of our generation. most schools here are way better than the one i attended back in the 70's, and my sibs and friends and i survived and thrived.good luck, and try to get some sleep--we all remember those early days with a baby, i'm sure.
Wise words, 11:58. I agree with you wholeheartedly on schools being much better than they were back in my childhood (sounds like we're in the same generation!).1:53, I am so sorry. I'm wishing for the best for you in the school search. In the meantime, congratulations and enjoy your new baby!