Tuesday, April 29, 2008

SFUSD wait pool list

SFUSD just released its wait pool list. You can find it at http://tinyurl.com/6rbww4.

76 comments:

  1. It is interesting that a few of the schools I had on my amended list are not on the waitpool (New Traditions, Sunnyside, Lafayette), yet we got 0/15. It also looks like there are more people in the waitpool this year compared to last years data.

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  2. Can someone please explain columns 6 through 8 ?

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  3. Column 6: Round 1 -- 7 Requests No Choice

    Number in column represents those who have a higher position in the waitpool, because they listed 7 choices,

    Column 7: Round 1 No Choice:

    Number in column represents those who did not make 7 choices, but of the choices they did make, they didn't get any


    Column 8: Round 1 Choice:

    Number in column represents those who got one of their choices but still ain't happy

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  4. Can we find out how many people were placed at the schools from the prior round?

    I'm still perplexed that I had listed Clarendon JBBP and a whole new 20 spots opened up and I didn't get it. I was 0 for 7 in the first round.

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  5. Tp 12:28 pm:

    Column 6 has those who put down 7 schools in Round I but didn't get any of them.

    Column 7 has those who put less than 7 schools in Round I but didn't get any of them.

    Column 8 has those who got one of their choices, but who want to wait list for something better-suited to them.

    Each of these categories is called a cohort, and their column placement reflects their priority (i.e., cohort 6 has priority over cohort 7 which has priority over cohort 8).

    Henry

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  6. we are also 0/15. We listed Marshall, revere, star king mandarin. Very. Frustrated especially with twins

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  7. sunnyside has no wait list, but may have over-enrolled. still, it's worth wait pooling again i think!!

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  8. I'm still perplexed that I had listed Clarendon JBBP and a whole new 20 spots opened up and I didn't get it. I was 0 for 7 in the first round.

    so i assume you waitlisted clarendon jbbp? if 16 people waitlisted and not all of them got in, that tells me that they oversubcribed (i.e., they didn't have 20 open spots available in the new class). i know of 2 families who got into jbbp off the waitlist and 1 who got into sc off the waitlist.

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  9. 12:34 and 1:00 - 16 people are REMAINING on the waitlist for Clarendon Japanese, after this most recent run.

    12:37 - They let ALL waitlist cohorts in before going to amended lists, as I understand it. These schools must have filled on the waitlists. But seems now that you have an excellent shot at Starr King, Revere, and Marsall, if you make one of them your waitpool choice. There are 0-1 people on each of those waitlists and I'm sure there will be movement. Only way you don't get into one of them, as I see it, is if a bunch of people switch off the longer waitlists (like Miraloma) and go on these ones. But I doubt there will be that huge of a shift.

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  10. so the wait pool numbers are essentially useless since they regularly over subscribe schools? Nice.

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  11. there were oversubcription problems at mckinley and other schools, but i don't think this is typical. and what happens if a school is oversubscribed is they don't have a wait pool at all. so the wait pool numbers do mean something.

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  12. Only way you don't get into one of them, as I see it, is if a bunch of people switch off the longer waitlists (like Miraloma) and go on these ones. But I doubt there will be that huge of a shift.

    Welcome to the lemmings blog. You must be new here.

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  13. does anyone know if we can find out how many folks remove themselves from waitlists?

    i'm thinking it's impossible...

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  14. i fear that if we switch off Lakeshore wait list, we'll end up with 25 others on Sunnyside. any ideas how to prevent that?

    how about a poll?

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  15. Is it true that there are 2 opposite reasons why a program might not be on the waitpool list?

    1. The program is undersubscribed and nobody is waiting.

    2. The program is oversubscribed and nobody is allowed to wait(mcKinley?)

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  16. if a program over subscribed people have to drop out before a waitlist can be enacted. i don't know if it means no waitlist is possible. a good question for EPC today...

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  17. For immersion, Fairmount looks like a decent bet as well. And all three K classes are immersion which means more potential movement, as opposed to most of the schools that have only 2 immersion classes.

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  18. i just spoke with Suzanne at PPS. even oversubscribed schools can have a wait list. So, McKinley and Sunnyside, if they are oversubscribe, do have waitlists. If they are not listed on the posted waitpool, that means there are currently 0 people on the waitlist.

    the only problem is we don't know how oversubscribed the school is. call the principal. they know--and maybe they are considering opening a new class!

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  19. How can McKinley and Sunnyside NOT have waitlists when I put them on my 2nd round lists, and ended up 0/15?

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  20. I wanted to mention how hopeful I am when I look at the waitpools. Not because of the nutjob Kindergarten situations (55 on the Rooftop list?? Fuggitahbowdit.), but because of the 1st and 2nd grade numbers.

    Makes me think we should all just breathe, and try to get into our beloved schools in the 1st or 2nd grade. I don't think it would be a big deal at all to wait and change, especially if you have other younger siblings who will benefit in the future.

    I am child of the 70s, and most kids in my 1st grade class didn't even go to kindergarten. 1st grade is still 1st grade.

    So I'm just gonna relax and wait till next year.

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  21. 2:21 - This could happen because your amended list and waitlist choice are not the same thing. Waitlists were run first, before amended choices, until the schools filled up.

    Sounds like these two schools are either full or oversubscribed, but no one who listed them as their waitlist choice failed to get in. To figure out if they are simply full (in which case switching your waitlist choice to Sunnyside or McKinley will be a good bet) or horribly oversubscribed, sounds like the best way is to call the school. Maybe down the line EPC counselors will know but sounds like they don't right now.

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  22. We also had McKinley on our round 11 list at #3 and also went 0/15.

    What is the appeal granted column (column 1), are they the top priority over all the other columns. e.g. Grattan has 3 approved appeals and a WP of 30. Does this mean if one spot opens up it will goes to one of those 3 before the other 27?

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  23. FYI, kids from outside the district (i.e., in private school) have a higher priority than kids already enrolled in the SFUSD. so don't think that just because you are in the system, you can easily move around.

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  24. so then it is a good idea to call schools with waitlists to we if they are over subscribed AND have a waitlist to get a more realistic idea of your chances, right? Anyone want to start posting what you learn when you call?

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  25. 2:33

    Kids outside the district have a higher priority in later grades? How does that work - Please elaborate. thanks!

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  26. 2:56

    A kid who is new to the system, say from their parents moving into the city, have priority over a kid already in the system, but whose parents want a different school assignment. A kid coming from private school is "new to the system".

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  27. 3:21

    Priority for an opening perhaps but hardly in the school of their choice....or is this system so dysfunctional that these new kids would get priority AND choice???

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  28. to clarify, you cannot get on a waiting list by calling the school. they have no control over who gets assigned to them (so they say.)

    but, until the EPC knows how oversubscribed a school is, the Principal will know that number, for sure.

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  29. Unfortunatley, epc can't tell you where your kid is in the list.

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  30. I am new to this blog - is it true that my as my child attends preschool, that will be held against her in the diversity index?

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  31. I am so disgusted....basically there is no chance for us to get into school we want for our family(too many numbers ahead of us)...and we have no backup....options are??? move? maybe...

    all this talk about San Francisco losing families etc....hello!! wakeup call!!!!

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  32. 3:44, it's not a question of "held against you," it's a question of whether or not that characteristic would add diversity to that school at that point in time. It's entirely conceivable that your preschool-attending child would indeed add diversity to, say, Marshall, at a random point in the lottery. It is less likely, however, that your preschool-attending child would add that same diversity to Clarendon or Miraloma at a random point in time--though it could happen.

    3:54, are the remaining options really so out of the question? Have you looked at Rosa Parks JBBP and is it impossible? What about Redding? J Serra? Marshall and Sunnyside seem like decent waitlist bets in the meantime....I totally understand and sympathize with the stress, but the non-Rooftops are not wastelands off the map of the known world. They have credentialed teachers and nice kids with parents who care about them. Worst case is you change schools for grade 1, which is generally easier. Your kid will not be scarred for life. I am VERY sorry that you and others have not (so far) received the schools you really want, but are there really no options at all?

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  33. i have to say i'm a bit heartbroken at the moment. i know things will probably work out in the end -- our son will most likely end up at a school that is just fine -- but right now i feel a bit beat down by this city, which i love very much. we can barely afford our mortgage, and now i can't even feel assured that my children will go to a school i'm happy about. this place that used to symbolize such endless possibility to me, now feels like a dead-end street.

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  34. ditto for me 4:11

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  35. Priority for an opening perhaps but hardly in the school of their choice....or is this system so dysfunctional that these new kids would get priority AND choice???

    i don't understand this question. it's pretty simple: if 1 spot opens up in rooftop 1st grade class and there are 2 kids vying for it -- one at lafayette and 1 from private -- the private school kid will get it.

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  36. Unfortunatley, epc can't tell you where your kid is in the list.

    because THERE IS NO LIST! it is a pool from which names are selected at random.

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  37. but we can assume if not in column 6 - that number is ahead of us??

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  38. 4:27, i don't understand your question.

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  39. 4:11 wrote:
    "if 1 spot opens up in rooftop 1st grade class and there are 2 kids vying for it -- one at lafayette and 1 from private -- the private school kid will get it."

    I don't think this is precisely true. What IS true is that at some point after the 10 day count, the district cuts off transfers. So, let's say you are in the waitpool for Rooftop first grade and you don't get in after the 10-day count. Then let's say a spot opens up in October - a kid from outside the district will be able to transfer into that spot but a kid from within the district will not.

    For more information on the district's transfer policy, go here:
    http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/default.cfm?page=policy.placement.transfers

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  40. May I just suggest that Flynn General would be a very good choice right about now? At present the already registered kids create a very diverse group based on the diversity index after the first round. 35 kids were registered in our General program by the deadline. (I was in charge of contacting all the new parents so I have had my mitts on the list.) Some of these people will be opting for other options IF THEY HAVE THEM, but as I have mentioned before, if you don't really want to be at the *beginning* of turning a school around, then Flynn is a great choice. Baby, we done turned around!

    Our PTA is strong, established and growing, we have really impressive teachers, a great community, full yard greening in the works, new play structure etc etc. I should just refer you to Kate's review of Flynn which you can find in the list of schools on the right side of the blog homepage.

    I am not sure if there are openings at this moment, as I haven't seen the new list. I do know that at least one person in here said she was freeing her Flynn General spot to go elsewhere. And I do know that no wait list right now is a good thing for those of you still looking for a good school.

    If there are some of you on the blog who have registered for our general program, please speak up!

    Here's what you do: Sign your kid up, and be done with whole thing! (Visualize your stressfree summer!) Or sign your kid up, stay on your waitlist and see what happens. Chances are you'll never leave!

    Any of us would be happy to show you around or answer questions. You can contact me at kbruin@yahoo.com, or, as I will be out of town for most of May, davidforer@yahoo.com.

    Oh yes one more new plug for Flynn. Imagine next years PTA meetings with Kim Green!

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  41. I don't get it...why would an oversubscribed school not have a waitlist? Did they just assign everybody from the waitlist even though there were not enough spots?

    Would we get in to McKinley? Sunnyside?

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  42. anyone know what is up with fairmount and their principal? who will be next and will everything be just fine? their waitpool is not as large as others (we are in flynn's currently but shopping around for another immersion program waitpool. we are 0/15, twins, no backup. help. cannot do ortega b/c they only have one class. must separate the monsters. getting nervous. not happy about the 10 day count with twins.)

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  43. Mother of a Kinder and 4th at Rosa Parks here.

    I'd like to echo Marlowe's mom's recommendation to check out JBBP at Rosa Parks (previous blog strand: Round II). This is a true "hidden gem": its not on everyone's radar with booked tours, i'm guessing because of its Western Addition location and distance from the west side of the city. I work downtown, so its on my route, but there are also buses from the richmond, sunset, haight, etc that drop kids off in the morning and also to afterschool programs (jcc, nlf, bgcsf, etc)

    If you are interested in Japanese language (there seem to be oodles out there waitlisted at Clarendon Japanese), the language program at Rosa Parks is very strong -- challenging academics and attention to enhancing individual student performance combined with daily reading, writing, and conversational Japanese. The program couples credentialed teachers with a native speaking sensei in each class. The kids get a lot of exposure and english speaking 5th graders who have been in the program since K test out on average at 3rd grade fluency benchmarks for Japanese language --pretty impressive, i think.

    My K daughter -- who incidentally is a late fall baby (we stressed over whether or not to hold her back) -- is thriving! She loves her teacher, sensei, and especially her classmates and sings Japanese songs all day long. My 4th grader was 'GATE'd' last year and is also thriving and benefitting from the wonderful exposure to the diversity at rosa parks.

    Fabulous new principal (Dr. Monica Nagy -- Rhode Island's loss is our gain), edible garden in the works, two year school-wide mural project kicking off with artist funded by one of our families, second year of expanding Science Discovery Project piloted here with the ucsf school of pharmacy by one of our physician parents (pharmacy students come in to do hands on experiments with the kids), school wide pta working on exciting initatives, including bringing the richness of the jazz district and hopefully Yoshi's into the school, a librarian (a credentialed science teacher and parent who works with teachers to reinforce curriculum during library visits) p.e. coordinator, on site nurse, nutritionist, counselors, math and reading specialists, parent liaison, truly dedicated teachers, and caring staff who support one another. Because Rosa Parks is a STAR school, it is also well funded. We are also the recipients of the QEIA fund (by lottery) which grants each student schoolwide an an additional average of $500. per year for the next 7 years.

    JBBP's parent group (501c3) is established and there is a core group of active parents that really seem to make things happen with fundraising and cultural events, etc.

    We still have openings. Come check us out. You may find that you still have options afterall!

    ps. Marlowe's Mom -- follow your gut and you'll make the right decision. Either way, we'll leave the light on for you.

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  44. rpnorton: are you saying that kids not currently attending a sfusd school can just walk up to say rooftop after the 10 day count and be admitted if there is an open spot? that doesn't make sense to me. also that link you posted only addresses transfers during the school year, not transfers for the next school year.

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  45. re: fairmount. given the school's (current) promising waitlist numbers, it would be great if current parents or data-holders could weigh in on who's replacing karling and the general vibe at the school right now -- or anything at all that will help unassigned families make or alter their WL choices. although our family got a different assignment, i'll add two cents anyway, since fairmount was our other top choice and i was constantly digging for dirt. (note: none of this is validated; all rumor.) a friend of mine who works for the district said they were looking at several candidates with different strengths (i think from the parents' and teachers' perspectives). but as a fairmount applicant, she was unconcerned about the new principal, because she feels the school is "baked."

    re: flynn GE. it seems to me that the prospect of becoming an IB PYP school is a big draw. perhaps a current parent can speak to the likelihood of this happening and what it means for the school? my personal feeling is that the status is sufficiently rare (as far as i know, only the french international school has it in SF, and not for primary years, but i could be wrong), compelling and academically exciting to have a strong "magnet"-type effect on the school. anyone?

    p.s. to kathy: not sure if i'd use yours truly as PR material...not everyone here shares my particular sense of humor. have been called tasteless more than once ; )

    hope to see you on may 14 though!

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  46. fairmount, check. thanks kim.

    how about paul revere and all the pink slipping? any rumors on what is going on on the other side of the hill?

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  47. I am child of the 70s, and most kids in my 1st grade class didn't even go to kindergarten. 1st grade is still 1st grade.

    Not quite. California's content standards were more or less moved down a year. What used to be 1st content is K content now. At the end of Kindergarten, students are able to read, write short paragraphs, add and subtract, explain states of water, draw based on observation and label the resulting diagram...shall I go on?

    Although Kindergarten isn't a mandatory grade in California, children who go to 1st grade without it will be underprepared socially, emotionally, and academically.

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  48. Rosa Parks JBBP parent at 8:05, thank you for the detailed post, and WOW.

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  49. I have to say this blog is making me really anxious right now. Personally, I don't think it's helpful to generate a lot of discussion about which schools people should switch to - not that we're lemmings, but it does feel counterproductive to me. Seems like we all might be better off just thinking for ourselves on this one, following our hearts/guts, and seeing how the next round plays out. I personally would love a little radio silence on the waitlist discussion/recommendations until May 9th. I'm sure others will disagree, but I feel compelled to voice my feelings - this chatter is stressing me out. "Will everyone switch to the school I'm thinking of switching to? I hope no one talks it up!" Anxiety! How does this really help?

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  50. And when I read about the K standards, I get a little anxious. Are little kindergarteners really doing all that? Christ, I dont' think I wrote a paragraph until
    3rd grade ... Granted, I know "paragraph" might be a loose term. But still, what the hell is all the rush about?

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  51. About Fairmount...

    I met a parent who has kids there who said very confidently "We (PTA) will make sure a great Principal comes to Fairmount. I'm not the least bit worried. We have it covered."

    I believed him.

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  52. i, personally, don't think that any of the public schools are all that exciting. so, when folks are pushing the dull, STAR mandated testing curriculum of the not-so-desired schools, they are missing the point.

    our very curious, must know the answer to every question, can i paint, draw, dance, sing child isn't going to thrive in her school. we're going to have to provide extra curricular everywhere. however, if a public school has built a community that affords and prioritizes some of those, why am I an asshole for wanting that school?

    J Sierra is like all the rest. What is the gem? Does it have Ballet or something? The fact that kids learn to read and manage to stay alive isn't a good enough reason to love a school.

    but anyway, it's our sacrifice, isn't it, to stay in SF.

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  53. oh, dear. to the person we are stressing out with waitlist talk.

    i am one of the culprits, no doubt. please forgive me. this is a safe place for me to work out my strategy for the wait list pool.

    maybe i can suggest you read other groovy links while we chit chat obsessively on the wait pool list link. i'll let you know when we're done.

    best to you.

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  54. 10:42

    it isn't just SF. public schools are teaching the same curriculum anywhere.

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  55. totally off-topic question -

    i just got my fall work schedule (i teach) and will be finished at 2:35. if my child is in a school that ends at 2:40, how terrible is it if i pick him up at 2:45 four times a week? are schools somewhat flexible about release time or do i need to hire afterschool care for five minutes?

    just thinking ahead...

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  56. Yes 10:42
    The suburbs are in full teach-to-the-test mode, perhaps feeling the pressure to keep their scores at the top. A friend whose kids are in school in Orinda or Lafayette told me they don't have recess!

    As for the poor STAR schools (of which I think Flynn is still one) I have been surprised and impressed all year with the number of extra performances, programs and field trips that happen.

    My son announced to me this morning that not only did they start a new visual arts unit but they also have a new (unexpected for me) music unit. He said it in a very "guess what's happening now, Mommy!" excited voice. Honestly I don't know how they fit it all in as they are in the midsts of a big composting/recycling science unit, and PE and library once a week, on top of the normal "teach to the test" math and language.

    You know your child and where she would thrive, and there are programs in the system that vere one way or another (Alvarado toward arts, Sunnyside toward science, Grattan toward computer science) and of course private options.

    For us though, I feel our son is, in addition to the new language acquisition, getting a very balanced, fun, interesting, enriched education at a poor neighborhood school. Who knew?

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  57. kathy b. -

    what you describe is what i want. i had a hard time getting a well-rounded feel for a school's offerings from the tours. i got it from flynn (and that is where we are waitpooled) but need a back up as the numbers are not in our favor.

    i want recycling and gardening units and art and music and fun for my kid. how did flynn make that happen? i want to open my eyes to other schools and see that they have the offerings flynn has or they have an openness to make it happen.

    (i was the one who asked the "what makes a pta on fire" question a few weeks back.)

    i know it takes a dedicated parent group. did it just click for flynn that that group was on the same page with the same priorities for the school? seems like flynn is getting things accomplished rather quickly in comparison to other schools. how is that?

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  58. The way almost everything happens at a public school is that the TEACHERS make it happen. They are doing gardening, recycling, music, art, and dance, and fieldtrips without any help from parents at all in many, many public schools.

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  59. I agree with the poster at 8:48. So much of what is going on at Flynn is teacher-directed. My understanding with Flynn (this is my first year) is that they have always had a very dedicated group of teachers. A few things have conspired over the last few years, with the immersion program, some faculty changes, the PTA, maybe it's location has helped beng right here in Bernal with a baby boom going on.

    Just so you know though, 8:41, I did not get a rosy "this is the school" feeling from my tours at Flynn. We put it first on our list in part because of its proximity to our house and our interest in the "neighborhood school", and in part because I could see the steps were happening. It was a leap of faith. But I didn't get this "What a great school" feeling until much later.

    I think more than anything, the school seemed like the "Little Engine That Could". It really appealed to me to be a part of something on its way up as that has a momentum of its own. Each new accomplishment launches the energy for the next.

    This is not to say there isn't quibbling, and burn out and frustration. It's not like everyone is in agreement all the time. There are so many teachers, administrators, parents, and I can only speak for myself.

    On my tours a year ago I got a good impression from Fairmount, Sunnyside, Milk, Monroe, as well as Grattan, Rooftop, Miraloma (loved Miraloma.) It's all SO subjective though.

    In terms of the next "Little Engine That Could" Schools, I would put my money on Rosa Parks Japanese, Monroe, Serra.

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  60. My daughter received Paul Revere Spanish immersion from the wait pool which we are very happy about. We really wanted spanish immersion and toured Paul Revere after we were 0/7 in round one. I liked the school, the principal is great and the parent who did the tour was really excited about her school. If anyone is interested in immersion you may want to consider changing your wait pool to Paul Revere. When I went to register I was told that at this point not everyone who was offered a spot in round 2 had registered and they very may all register this week, but according the the waitpool data it looks like there isn't anyone on the waitlist for kindergarten spanish immersion. Paul Revere goes to 8th grade and the immersion track is at 3rd grade so if the need is there as the grades get added every year for immersion, this could feasibly be the only (I think) Spanish immersion K-8.
    Good luck to you all. I know how stressful this process is.

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  61. PR spanish was my #1 choice on my amended list but we didn't get it. They must have just had enough people from WL choices!

    Do you know anything about keeping the pink slipped teachers?

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  62. 3:16pm
    What I heard was that the district was required by the teachers' contract to handout the pink slips but unless they can replace the teachers with more tenured immersion teachers, they won't lose their positions.

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  63. We too got Paul Revere immersion. I believe it is very unlikely that their teachers with a BCLAD (bilingual credential) will lose their positions.

    I'd like to know who else plans on putting their kid there. Also, once I go register there tomorrow a spot will open up at Harvey Milk which is a sweet school w/ a much better start time in my opinion and an awesome parent community. As much as some people have called me crazy for making the change, I gotta say that we've decided that the immersion, k-8, and neighborhood thing is what we want. But if you get a spot at Milk please have a mocha at Spikes for me!

    margie

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  64. "our very curious, must know the answer to every question, can i paint, draw, dance, sing child isn't going to thrive in her school. we're going to have to provide extra curricular everywhere. however, if a public school has built a community that affords and prioritizes some of those, why am I an asshole for wanting that school?"

    Wanting that school isn't what makes you an asshole; every parent wants the best for their child.

    THIS is what makes you an asshole:
    "The fact that kids learn to read and manage to stay alive isn't a good enough reason to love a school."
    Some of us plan to enroll our children in those schools you so casually condemn. How about thinking for a few minutes, before you just let loose and blast schools in which your child has not spent one single day, schools about which you really know absolutely nothing except whatever you were able to glean on a 45 minute tour? Those schools are full of hard working teachers who give their all every day, and kids who are happy and thriving. Maybe it is not the best school for your child; so, fine, go somewhere else. But why do you find it necessary to speak of schools you don't care for in such a scathing manner? How does that help anyone?

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  65. I don't think that makes her an asshole. I think that makes her realistic.

    I too am a bit put off by all the glorification of the public schools in this City, by people on this blog, by the SFUSD, etc. At best, the schools are adequate.

    And at best, the district lies. As in, 81% of applicants got a school of their choice, and 67% got their first choice. Whoever put out that number IS an asshole.

    Really, the only thing that's going to get me excited is if 1) more middle class and upper class families get involved, and 2) if they change the lottery so more of us can actually, easily get involved. The system as is, is a rat's nest.

    ...taking nothing away from the incredible dedication of the teachers, parents, school heads, and everything.

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  66. "At best, the schools are adequate."

    I would say, at worst, the schools are adequate. My children have had a really good experience and many others would say the same. That's not glorification nor is it claiming that everyone's experience is as good.

    How much actual experience do you have with the schools?

    ...taking nothing away from the frustrations of the complicated lottery process, about which I heartily sympathize.

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  67. I miswrote. What I meant was, at best the average school in the system is only adequate.

    The handful of schools which are great are really great and the middling schools are ok if we all roll up our sleeves and treat the PTA as a second job, and the rest of the schools... The bottom 15 or 20 schools are not really an option for the average San Francisco middle class family.

    I mean come on. If they were, you wouldn't see so many people headed to the suburbs. It seems to me that having 20 schools that are great and 20 that really aren't great, just isn't enough.

    And just because the other poster and I share this opinion, doesn't mean we are taking anything away from you and your positive experience. And it doesn't make us, uhm, what did you call us...assholes.

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  68. And to answer the other question about my experience with public schools, I have five years of volunteering in one of the worst performing schools in my neighborhood, Cesar Chavez. That was a long time ago, but I was hoping to help turn it around so my kid could go there. That school is very special to me. But there is no way I'd ever send my kid to that school. Sorry.

    I am also one of the sad sack families who were 0/15. When you go on the tours, and still go 0/15, believe me, you have plenty experience with the damned public schools in this city.

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  69. Really, 4:18/4:21, thanks for responding, and also thanks for correcting your comment. That makes more sense. I get frustrated when I see no nuance (in either direction), as in, all private schools are havens for elitist snobs, or also, no public school is better than adequate and all you will see is drill and kill and lots of bullying.

    There are shades of grey here and I think I will scream if I hear/see one more blanket comment! I feel that especially about the public schools as it is so easily to trash them casually around town, but yes, it goes both ways.

    I agree that there are 15 to 20 schools that are not an option for middle class familiies here. I also agree that there are a couple dozen that are basically magnet schools (the ones where people mostly go 0/15). I guess I would say that there are quite a larger number in the middle that are better than only adequate, and that wouldn't require the time investment you are talking about. There's a hierarchy among those too--there are maybe 25 programs that would match up to many a small-town school or not-fabulously-wealthy suburb in terms of enrichment, creativity, and teaching. Not saying that is awesome and something to jump up and down about, just saying it's not a wasteland of mediocrity. A scene that can be improved with just a little effort--start a little more funding for field trips or a special art series.

    No, I'm not talking about Cesar Chavez either, which is indeed special and which also has some special challenges. I'm talking about virtually all the schools on the west side, some of which still have spaces available, and a half dozen other non-immersion, non-Clarendons.

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  70. I posted this in another thread, but it's worth repeating here.

    I got an unofficial list of the schools with openings. Here it is:

    Brett Harte
    Bessie Carmichal
    Chavez
    Cobb
    Junipero Serro
    Sheridan
    El Dorado
    Redding
    Starr King
    Rosa Parks (GE and JBBP)

    They also said they expect Jose Ortega to have spots in open enrollment, though it doesn't now.

    They over-enrolled Sunnyside and McKinley --there may still be spots, but some families will have to not enroll before they open up even one space.

    Some of this is from the EPC, so who knows how accurate it is, but it's a start...

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  71. For those looking for looking for a spot in open enrollment, perhaps as a placeholder for hanging out in the waitpool for one you like better:

    1) Rosa Parks JBBP would be a wonderful option (very hard to believe it has not filled yet).

    2) Definitely consider J Serra which has a principal who is on the ball--plus, Bernal location and the possibility of several families going in together.

    3) To that I would add Sheridan, which despite its low-income population has test scores over 800and is ranked 8 (non-weighted) and 10 (weighted for socio-economic factors) in terms of API scores. Not that this is the be-all, but it says something. Yes, it's out there on Capitol but that is a very quick trip on the 280 from the Bernal area, 5-10 minutes most days.

    4) I would also look at Redding in Polk Gulch (just over the hill from downtown, could be an advantage to those who work there), which has an interesting mix of kids and good teachers, and test scores close to 800.

    The rest, not so much.

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  72. Ditto what 10:18 said about these schools, and want to emphasize the advantage of several families who are 0/15 and just want the pain to be over, banding together to go to one of these schools which still have enough openings to accomodate a group coming in together. If you and your friends or neighbors, who are still at loose ends, decide to go to one of these schools in a group, your children will all be in Kindergarten together, and you will all be parents together at your chosen school - instant PTA! More than one hidden gem school gots its start this way.

    This kind of camraderie, going into a school with a pack of familiars, can turn what might otherwise be a scary enterprise into an exciting adventure. Sure beats sweating it out until the 10 day count, desperately praying you get something better. And you can still stay in the waitpool of your dream school just in case, but you might find that you like your starter school so much that you decide to stay.

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  73. Not only are there more people on the waitpool list this year, but it has grown since round 11 !!

    Sunnyside has 2 people on it's waitpool, FYI.

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  74. JSerra is our newly assigned school. I'm touring next Tuesday morning with the Principal. appt. only, so email me or call them if you want to be added to the tour.

    kortneyeichenberger@gmail.com

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  76. Kate's link takes you to last year's numbers. Here is the link to this year's wait pool data:

    http://portal.sfusd.edu/apps/departments/educational_placement/WP_Cohorts_4_6_09.pdf

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