Tuesday, January 1, 2008

Happy New Year

Public school is back in session tomorrow. The deadline for enrollment forms is January 11, which means there's still time to squeeze in a few more tours. My husband plans to visit Flynn and I hope to get to Clarendon and Starr King. Any other must-visit schools?

33 comments:

  1. Other great schools that are equal to those on your list: McKinley, Lafayette, Sherman, Sutro, Sunset and Sunnyside. These are all schools that are great and under the radar of many ( much like Miraloma and Grattan were until quite recently.) Worth checking out one or two of these.

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  2. Do you know, are there any tours on Wednesday, Jan. 2? Last minute, I know, ...

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  3. I suggest you check out Marshall, a lovely, small Spanish Immersion school with a strong science program located in the heart of the Mission District.

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  4. i can second mckinley and sunnyside. both principals were strong and the schools small and intimate.

    there's also flynn GE strand, monroe and SF community out in excelsior. (i thought excelsior was a good neighborhood for bernal, noe, glen park, sunnyside and mission families to get to easily for school; easy transit however you go.)

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  5. re: McKinley and the principal. She is wonderful, and drives the school - her name is Bonnie Coffeesmith. I've heard from a few sources that she won't be staying at the school much longer. McKinley is a wonderful school and I'm sure they will find an excellent replacement but it is something to keep in mind.

    -Kathryn

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  6. Kate, What about Sherman? Could you squeeze it in Friday morning? It looks like an amazing school and would love to see your thoughts...

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  7. I would definitely love to hear your thoughts on Sunnyside if you have time to fit it in.

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  8. Hi, Kate. I hope you find time to visit Starr King, even if after the 1/11 deadline. I would love to read your thoughts. Since you have seen so many schools, you can do a more comprehensive comparison than most parents can achieve on their own. And seeing all these comparisons from one viewpoint is very helpful. Would love to read your thoughts on Starr King. Thank you for all your time and effort--and good luck!

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  9. Hi Kate, as I'm considering Spanish Immersion programs as well, I'm still interested in hearing why Fairmount did not make your list, as it's so close to your home?

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  10. Please comment on Starr King!

    I am trying to allow it to be my top choice but i am nervous about the neighborhood crime. On SFPD's site, the surrounding area had 100 crimes reported for the past 90 days - wow. Gun crime during school hours included. I am concerned on what effect this will have on kids witnessing this day in day out. I live in the Western Addition myself and still nervous about this location for my child.

    ANyone have any input on this?

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  11. You might look at Adda Clevenger if you are considering private schools. If you missed the open house, you can call to schedule a tour/class observation time at your convenience, and admissions are rolling. Our son, a bright, very high-energy kid, is in kindergarten there now, and the caring teachers and staff did a great job helping him make transition from his tiny preschool. He enjoys the academics, visual arts, and daily physical activity (PE + gymnastics or dance every day, plus two recesses) and has fun performing in the shows, though I would never have called him a show-biz type. Lots of artsy extracurriculars built into the regular curriculum at AC. The tuition, while not cheap, is less than many private schools in SF. Although it has a reputation is a "girly" school, I sat in on a class and was very impressed with the way they dealt with "boy energy" in a way that made sure the boys got the material even though they were not as angelically hand-folded as the girls. The very small classes (14 max with a teacher and an aide in each class) are great for little kids. We as working parents like that there is no required parent commitment to fund-raising or volunteering, though you can do those things if you wish. The school is year-round and closed for only 11 weeks per year, compared to 16-18 weeks for most other schools. The parent community has been very friendly. We love the creativity encouraged in the children. The academics overall seem quite rigorous, though it's hard to know what to expect at this age. The kids are encouraged to work as a team, support each other, and do their personal best. The less-than-ideal physical facility is an issue, but it's a surface issue. Uniforms can be bought at fairly reasonable prices and I think they're awfully cute.

    I would say it's fair to characterize the school as somewhat eccentric and not for everyone. Downsides: (1) I do wish the outside play area, a parking lot with cars parked in it, was a little nicer with play structures for the little ones. (2) PE goes on in the multi-purpose area surrounded by lower school classrooms so the classrooms are always noisy, though the kids seem accustomed to it and it will prepare them for college dorm life. (3) Wish faculty/administration would not bad-mouth public schools (they derisively refer to them as "government schools") so much. I've seen many public schools in SF staffed with committed educators who love children and are succeeding in getting kids educated in spite of the major challenges they face. Not everyone can afford >$20K/year, which is what AC costs by the time you factor in after-care, uniforms, and paying for alternate care during the weeks school is closed (true of most non-parochial private schools), which leads to the next downside: (4) No financial aid. This libertarian school is for people who are already at or near the top of the socio-economic heap or, as we are doing, mortgaging homes for tuition. (5) I'm a fan of the Harry Potter theme that permeates the school, but if you have religious objections to Harry Potter, it's not for you. (6) There's a "phonics-good, whole-language-bad" mentality that I don't 100% share. My personal opinion (and I'm not a professional) is that English is such a quirky language that phonics only works part of the time. If you look at comments posted by AC kids on "GreatSchools.com," they make their share of mistakes.

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  12. to the poster with concerns about starr king. i have lived in the neighborhood for many years and it would be naive to ignore the danger inherent in being so close to the projects. i hear gunshots frequently and generally stay away from the area where starr king is located because i do not feel it is safe. i am encouraged at the interest in the mandarin program but am surprised that no one (except this poster) seems concerned about safety.

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  13. I got blasted for posting some cautionary details about Adda Clevenger when this blog was new, but I am still adding some points as a consumer service.

    Marlowesmom gave a pretty good idea of that school's eccentricities, though only the tip of the iceberg from what my Adda C. alumni friends tell me.

    I'm very close to two former Adda C. alumni families, including one with kids both my kids' ages. So I can tell you that the claim that their kids are two years ahead of public school kids is completely inaccurate. Since Adda C. gives no standardized tests, you will actually have absolutely no idea how your child is doing compared with his/her peers. (Or at least that was the case very recently, when my friends'/relatives' kids were there.)

    What they do is get your child to take the SSAT in 7th grade (or whatever they're calling 7th grade that year -- Gryffindor or whatever) -- a year early. That will be your very first inkling of how he's doing compared to his peers. If he doesn't do well -- as my friends' kids have not -- he gets sent to outside tutoring (at your expense) or held back a year (at your expense).

    By the way, if Carol Harrison knew what a leftist J.K. Rowling was, she'd plotz. Or if J.K. Rowling knew that such a right-wing school was using her themes, SHE'D plotz.

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  14. Kate, I too hope you check out McKinley. Seems to be getting a lot of buzz this year. And not too far from your home.

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  15. i'd like to weigh-in on Starr King since some of the posters of this thread are curious about that school. i've been to the school 3 times now (each time on my own "self-led" tour) and have had 1 conversation with the principal. Each time, I have come away with very mixed feelings.

    on the positive side, i have been very impressed with the Kinder Mandarin classes i see. the children seem well-behaved, engaged and happy. it looks perfect and i have nothing but praise for this aspect of the school.

    but there are many negatives that continue to irk me: 1) the location. will i feel comfortable dropping my kids off their everything morning or attending PTA meetings at night? 2) the principal: he's been there for a number of years and has a background in teaching under-privileged urban kids. will he look out for my middle/upper class kids' interests? he also doesn't seem particularly interested in helping/supporting the PTA. 3) the vibe: it seems bleak. i just can't explain it in any other way. it feels empty of joy, excitement. 4) too many strands: Spanish immersion, Mandarin immersion, GenEd, and Special Ed. Can they really do all of those things well and maintain a sense of unity/cohesion as a school? 5) it's just seems so "new" - like Flynn 2 or 3 years ago when most parents wouldn't touch it. i'm not sure, as a business-owner and working mom, that I can be the kind of full-on PTA supporter that i would have to be if I committed to that school. 6) Finally, I've shown up twice for tours and both times they were canceled. This doesn't leave me feeling very confident. I may go again on Thursday 1/10 in a last ditch effort to tour the school.

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  16. (i'm the original starr king safety poster.)

    i, too, have been three times now. those four mandarin teachers and their classrooms made me really excited to sign on, but i cannot get past the location.

    i asked the principal about his thoughts on the kids' safety (mostly about kids at recess, completely exposed to the street) and he laughed it off. he prides himself in the fact that he feels a connection to the neighborhood families (which is great) and has spoken out about white parents not wanting to mix their children with black children before. i was pissed - not the issue! i am concerned for the safety of ALL the kids when i read the SFPD crime reports on those four square blocks.

    needless to say, during my three visits and half a dozen drive-bys, i saw one arrest for a stolen vehicle and one drug deal directly in front of the school during school hours. both suspects were black. i'd hate to see my son watching black men being arrested daily in front of his school - what message is that?

    i think the principal is intelligent and truly cares about the school and kids. still, i found him pretty arrogant when it came to my concerns. he talked to me like i was some priviledged princess when, let's face it, he is also a middle-class, college-educated caucasian parent. so what if he has a degree in African American studies and has visited housing project residents? (funny, as i have a minor in AAS) he needs to respect the concerns of all SF residents considering the school.

    there is also a mandarin program at jose ortega school - a great location - but i was not excited about their program (only one teacher so not much of a "program" to get a feel for).

    thanks to you others for your input.

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  17. Starr King,
    Agree with other posters. The mandarin would be amazing. Sounds like an active group of parents (Mandarin). The teachers seemed like stars and the classrooms were great. Parents who are there are happy. The rest of the school felt dismal for me. I walked in the back entrance, from the playground and walked through the school to find the office. Did not feel good about the location and then did not feel good that I could wander in and about the school unnoticed. Maybe that is not unique to SK. I would not send my kid to general ed there, its just too low performing. The principal made it clear that the mandarin program and the other programs will merge for math,english. I wonder about the level of academics outside of the mandarin. Principal had a- this is the way it is- take it or leave it attitude. Crime probably doesn't make it into the school but I doubt the surrounding area is the safest. Such a great opportunity but don't think I will put on the list.

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  18. Does anyone know specifics of which schools offer summer programs (in affiliation with their before/after school care)? Being both FT working parents, this is a big concern for us, and I only recently started asking on tours since I just hadn't thought about it before. I do know that McKinley and Buena Vista offer them. And, I think that Clarendon might as well. I know that Flynn does not. Any others?

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  19. Regarding summer - ah! Welcome to the next 12 years! Only Argonne Elementary has a year round school (but their breaks are spread throughout the school year.)

    Everyone else usually, patches together various summer camps and programs to get through the summer. Some of the school's afterschool programs have summer programs as well - which most parents I know usually don't use for the entire summer as they look for ways for their kids to have a chance to do other fun things.

    Fortunately, we are blessed with a plethora of fantastic camps, programs, etc. during the summer in SF - from Park and Rec (i.e. Silver Tree Camp in Glen Park, and more all around) to SF Arts Ed, SPCA, to Summer GATE, to all the Y programs. There are really so many to choose from!

    The challenge I've found is the stress of organizing it all (and with two kids with different interests and 2 years apart.) Also, it gets expensive. But as a public school parent (with no school tuition) we use the summer as a chance to introduce lots of other new programs/ideas (i.e. Blue Bear Rock Camp, Acrosports, etc.) in more concentrated form than we usually do during the school year.

    Check out the City of SF/Dept of Children, Youth and Families Summer Resource Fair (March 8th for a one stop shop on all the terrific opportunities:

    http://www.dcyf.org/Content.aspx?id=1424¬e=1528

    Mayor Gavin Newsom's Third Annual Summer Resource Fair

    Saturday
    March 8
    10:00 am to 3:00 pm
    Free!

    New Location: The Concourse Exhibition Center
    8th & Brannan Streets, San Francisco

    Find hundreds of summer camps, classes, activities, and services for children and their families in San Francisco and beyond.

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  20. RE: Concerns about the Starr King neighborhood:
    I live half a block from Starr King ES and have no qualms about walking in the neighborhood during the day. The vast majority of neighborhood crimes occur at night and in the public housing complex. I don't think this has a major impact on kids at Starr King ES.

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  21. Starr King -- interesting how people can get such different impressions. The school did not feel bleak at all to me. The kids we saw on our tour seemed happy and engaged. Teachers in both strands were impressive. And while the principal is clearly a take it or leave it kind of guy, he seems like exactly the kind of strong leader to make a school with different strands and kids from such different backgrounds work as a cohesive whole. Plus he has a great reputation. You're right his focus is on underachieving kids, but that's really where it should be, and from everything I have heard that in no way means he disregards the needs of high achieving or higher income kids. I would suggest finding a SK parent ambassador through Parents for Public Schools to ask about your safety concerns.

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  22. I really want to give SK a chance. I'm inspired by the idea of Mandarin and I fear I'll be regretting my decision not to go for it when, 4 years from now, it's become the latest up-and-coming school. But it's tough, so tough.

    I want to mention a few things, too, about Jose Ortega, the other school with a Mandarin program. The location is better that SK's (IMHO) and the principal seems great: warm with the kids, focused, hard-working, committed, supportive of the teachers. But the Mandarin program is newer there (by a mere one year) so it's hard to get a sense of it. My only other issue is the 7:50 start-time.

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  23. What is the website for the SFPD crime log that folks are viewing? I'm having trouble finding it.

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  24. I think that the concerns about "crime" and "tough neighborhood" are veiled references to the facts that 1) there are public housing projects nearby and that 2) consequently many of the general ed students at Starr King are low-income and African American. BTW, pre-Immersion Flynn was primarily filled by low-income Hispanic students from the nearby Bernal Dwellings housing projects, and look where it is today.

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  25. original poster on SK safety here again...

    maybe i have not made myself clear. i have no problem with housing projects and no problem with low income families. i work with low-income SF families as a career and live in a neighborhood with housing projects.

    yes, i have a deep-down slight concern over stray bullets, but that is not the real issue. it is the effects of seeing crime regularly outside their school, about not feeling safe and secure.

    the area is isolated. there is no potrero hill police dept anymore (from what i understand). cops come from bayview to deal with the crime. the projects are not being re-rented - that is, when a family moves out, their unit is boarded up. there is constant talk about tearing them down and displacing the residents. the crime comes mostly from people who live outside of the housing projects and outside of potereo hill who know the area is desolate and not patroled by police.

    the crime stats, called crimeMAPS - http://www.sfgov.org/site/police_index.asp?id=23813

    there are lots of potrero hill residents' blogs out there that talk a lot about crime. helps to look around.

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  26. I appreciate your comments about safety, and I agree that seeing black men arrested daily from the playground would send a very negative message to any child. But I seriously doubt this is the case. Sometimes it happens, I'm sure. Sometimes it happens when I'm walking through the Mission (where I live) with my own children. Witnessing such things occasionally is, alas, part of our education as human beings. Going to school with the children who live in these projects under the guidance of a principal who is extraordinarily committed to bringing a high-quality education to all of the students seems priceless.

    In addition to the happy, Mandarin-speaking 1st graders, cheerful and professional Kindergarten teachers, and committed, enthusiastic parents, I saw African American, Asian, white, and Latino children in the Mandarin immersion classes at Starr King. Indeed, they were the most diverse classrooms I saw. I was impressed with the principal's ideas, with his success in implementing those that he has and with his determination to follow-through with more.

    I am a little nervous about anyone just being able to walk into the school, but I am nervous about that at ANY of the schools I toured--especially since the schools are filled with random parents (and potentially any other psychos) touring at any given time. Perhaps the fact that Starr King is a little off the beaten path is actually a positive where safety is concerned. The principal said they've never had a lock-down, which, I'm told, can't be said of Buena Vista and Marshall. And more concerned, squeaky-wheel parents would go a long way toward improving police coverage in the area.

    I toured it more or less on a whim and largely for comparison's sake and was shocked to find it topping my list by the time the tour was over. It remained at the top of my list, which I turned in before New Year's, and I'm hoping to see my kids attend alongside the children of other hard-working, committed parents who are not afraid to do what it takes to make their children's education the best it can be.

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  27. Regarding safety and people being able to walk into the school: I don't know if this is any consolation, but...

    I've known of two incidents of SFUSD schools involving threatening adults coming onto campus and causing a lockdown. One was a student's dad (troubled, split family) and the other, which happened at Lakeshore when my kids were there, was a student's grandfather, carrying a gun. I don't know any details about the incident involving the dad, which happened at a prestigious, largely middle-class SFUSD school. But, for the record the grandpa incident, involved a middle-class white family -- one of those families where lots of members are cops. The deranged grandpa was the then-PTA president's father-in-law, too. Both incidents were resolved peacefully.

    One of those sad reminders, just as with child kidnappings and molestations, that our own friends and relatives pose the biggest hazard.

    There was a knife incident at my son's high school, SOTA, the first week of the school year (no serious injuries, but scary). But... every day my son and his classmates dart across O'Shaughnessy and sometimes Portola to get to school on time, and they are in far more danger from doing that than from any mayhem wrought by violent evildoers on campus. That's probably statistically true of younger kids too. My husband, a traffic-phobe, refused to consider Jefferson in our day because of
    19th Avenue.

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  28. I'd have to agree with Abigail. I was dubious about the location of Starr King, and almost didn't tour it, but, decided on a whim to squeeze in one more tour and was surprised that I really liked it. In fact, it seemed the antithesis of bleak (contrary to a previous poster's opinion). The kids seemed engaged, both in the Mandarin and in the GE strands. The school facility got lots of light with big windows and nice views. The classrooms didn't have the crazy, overcluttered feel that many do. The students were a real mix of races -- unlike many schools that seem to have a dominant racial group. The parent volunteer with whom I talked was incredibly enthusiastic. She said that there is a parent volunteer in the classroom everyday -- which, coming from a co-op pre-school, really appeals to me. And it seems that there is a real commitment among the parents to continue to strengthen the school. The stuff I've read on-line about the principal seems fantastic (though I didn't actually meet him). I think it's great to have such an activist at the helm.

    I still have some concerns about the neighborhood, but the parent I spoke to was really reassuring -- stating that she walks to school with her daughter and has had no problems. She also pointed out that some of the kids in the school are residents of the projects -- leaving me feeling like sort of a cad for my concerns about being proximate to the projects. And I recently saw a map of the locations of SF homicides in the past year, and many more were in the Mission district than up on Potrero Hill. Now I find myself wondering how playdates happen if one of the kids lives in the projects.

    Anyway, despite some lingering concerns, Starr King will definitely be on my list. I wonder how the hurdle of getting one's head around the neighborhood will impact the types of families who sign up. Hmm.

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  29. Now I find myself wondering how playdates happen if one of the kids lives in the projects.

    Yes! I applaud you for grappling with the hard questions rather than avoiding schools that present them! So many people here are self-righteous about helping all children by choosing public school, and then they run like the herd towards schools that enough other people like themselves apply to.

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  30. RE playdates: Sadly, at my daughter's school, kids of different socioeconomic statuses do not seem to have playdates (although they play together at school). This may because of language/cultural issues though since the poorer families are overwhelmingly monolingual and non-English-speaking. This would be unlikely to be the case at Starr King. I know that a number of middle-class Potrero Hill Parents Association parents have organized playdates with their counterparts in the Potrero Housing Projects but haven't heard how they went.

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  31. Looking at Caroline's posts re Adda Clevenger under the Marin County Day School review topic, I feel I must, as a current parent, correct a few inaccurate impressions. First, we have NEVER been asked to donate to the school, which is in fact for-profit. We have been asked to contribute to San Francisco Sinfonetta, which is a tax-deductible 501(c)(3) that makes its music equipment available to the school for performances. There are collection boxes at performances and they sell DVDs of the childrens' performances, but there is no pressure to donate or buy. I have heard rumors about a parent-run auction but have not been asked to participate. Second, we have NEVER been asked to pay tuition in cash. We pay by check payable to the school, with a separate check for after-care for our own tax records. Third, and this is more of an observation than an correction, school is not the only place to take standardized tests, if you want that type of measure of how your child is doing. I found a CBEST sample test free online. I'd suggest parents on this blog check it out; it's interesting.

    Unlike some AC parents who seem almost cultish, I would not characterize myself as a true believer. I am not comfortable with everything about the school, particularly the libertarian politics. But I have yet to see a school where I like everything. I come around to saying, "I'm OK with my differences" by asking myself how my kid is doing. He's doing great at AC.

    He's a high-maintenance kid, borderline hyperactive. (We are looking at other options for next year for financial reasons. I took him to a screening at a parochial school, and they looked at me pretty funny when instead of walking to the interview room, he cartwheeled. I'll be surprised if he gets in. If he goes to public school, I fear we will be told to medicate him.) The AC teachers give him lots of love and support. They find ways to let him move without disrupting the other students. When he's called to the board, you can see that even though you thought he was chasing butterflies, he has mastered the material. He gets art and directed physical activity (PE/gymnastics or dance) every day, which no other public or private school I've seen offers. He goes to bed willingly at night and sleeps through for the first time in his life, which I attribute to a school day that's actually busy enough for his personality. He's got friends in his class, the older kids treat him well, and he's also making friends among the teachers, even teachers who don't teach him. The other parents are friendly and unpretentious. He's happy when I pick him up at the end of the day. The older kids get some great opportunities to travel and perform (the chorus has sung twice at the White House, under Clinton).

    And, to the school's credit, they're very up-front when you first make contact that they do things their own way. They make no attempt to be a school for everyone. They are a special school for people who want what they have to offer. Although they are for-profit, I think that the people who run the school and teach there love children and want to help them learn. There are bigger fortunes to be made for less stress than running a small private school.

    In any school, some kids are going to be greater academic successes than others. (It sounds like Caroline's friends' AC alum kids struggled in high school and therefore Caroline concludes that AC's claim that their students are 2 years ahead of public school peers is false. But some AC kids say they are very well-prepared for HS. I would not conclude that because I know some kids who struggled in Lafayette public school that Lafayette schools are inadequate, because I know other kids who did very well there. Rather, they are a better fit for some kids than others. Though it did bother me that on open-house night, a teacher at Stanley Middle School had material posted in the classroom, attributed to Bill Gates, that demeaned students and contained spelling & grammar errors.) No matter where you send your child to school, you as a parent have to make your own assessment of your child's progress. All schools, public or private, depend on the presence of kids for funding so they want to appear to be doing their job well. Look at the work your kids bring home. Even more important, look at the work you see your kids doing without help. I think that what you see your kid generating independently is a better measure than any score from a coached-for standardized test or work that comes home without your knowing how much help the teacher provided. If you're not happy, address your concerns with the school. If your concerns are not addressed to your satisfaction, make a change, whether it's a different school, a tutor, or something else. That's your responsibility and your right as a parent. Also, some kids are just more academically adept than others and, hard as it is, we as parents have to be honest with ourselves about that. Not all of us have the same facility with or affinity for language or numbers. Let's not, in this frenzy about "finding the right school for our child," forget to love them for themselves.

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  32. Marlowesmom, public school absolutely cannot require you to medicate your child. It's illegal for them to do that. Private schools CAN and, I'm told, often do.

    Back to Adda C. I've been close to two families, and through them I know a number of others, with years (decades) of history with Adda Clevenger. The oldest of the AC alumni in these families is now 28. SO they do date back to the era of the undisclosed location and furtive cash payments made directly to teachers. I thought I noted that those aspects had changed; sorry if I didn't.

    I also apologize if I gave wrong impressions re donations, but my point is that it's a for-profit. I'm told that's because it would require a board to be a nonprofit, and the headmistress refuses to work with a board.

    Actually, my friends' kids who went through AC have NOT struggled in high school, though some of their AC alum classmates have. It's just that when they got to high school, they discovered that they were not two years ahead -- that claim is just not true, period, paragraph. My friends' kids were adequately prepared for high school (though as I say, not all of their classmates have found that to be the case). That's different from being two years ahead. They were reasonably, overall, on a level with SFUSD students and presumably kids from other private schools.

    One AC student we are close to transferred to public middle school for grade 6 -- same thing. He started out doing lower-quality work than Aptos Middle School honors teachers expect of their students -- in less depth and with less care. I'm still not sure if that's what he was used to or if he had gotten the message that he could get away with that once he moved to public school. He couldn't, and he soon rose to expectations and has done fine. But he was not two years, or any years, or any consistent degree at all, ahead of my daughter and their other classmates coming from SFUSD schools in terms of the level they had reached in any academic subjects.

    AC does have a great performing arts program. I've been to so many of their performances that I'm practically a groupie. But for the cost, it seems to me that you should have a clear view of the other aspects of the school.

    I've also been to parties that were entirely Adda Clevenger parents, except for us. Nice people and it is a close-knit parent group! But several parents have told me that no family has ever gotten through the school without at least one screaming fight with the headmistress.

    And as Marlowesmom previously indicated, the culture of the school cultivates an attitude of fear and loathing toward SFUSD schools. Our friends who transferred their son at 6th grade told me they'd never have done it if they hadn't been around our family enough to see, regularly and ongoing, that our kids were as well-educated as theirs.

    Our friends chose AC because of the performing arts aspect (also, it's not hard to get into). If that's important to your family, go for it! But to me it does a basic consumer service to point out that the school's signature claim of all its kids being two years ahead does not bear out in real life, and that there are some other unusual aspects to the place.

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  33. ^^Thanks!!

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